• Yucky_Dimension@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    when men riot in the streets if their team wins it’s seen as passionate

    Since when?

    band merch is seen as cringey

    Also since when?

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      Since always? I mean where do you live that you haven’t noticed that people just kind of treat rioting sports fans as jokes? It’s not seen as an existential threat. We laugh about it. Entire cities have based their reputation on it.

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    14 days ago

    This is smart. I’ve fallen into this trap before and will need to be more careful in the future. Not specifically for girls/women but for certain subcultures, like bands or tv shows.

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    Not trying to defend it, because all of this is cringe no matter what, but one is sports of people competing to prove they are better, that they can endure more for themselves, the other is worshipping someone manufactured to please teenage hormones.

    It’s not exactly the same.

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      You’re right it’s not exactly the same.

      One is sports of people competing in toxic systems to prove superiority, enduring harm and ego for the sake of winning and to please team owners, the other is artistic freedom and expression, where emotion, creativity, and shared experience promote meaningful human connections.

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        😂

        One is the truest expression of oneself through movement and competition, the embodiment of human existence, the other is a disgusting marketing experiment to prey on children’s emotions through music.

        • Ginny [they/she]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          If you regard kicking a ball really hard to be a truer expression of oneself through movement than say, ballet, then maybe you have a bias in this matter.

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            It was meant to be a grid exaggeration to show how different things can be framed in different ways and may mean different things to different people. I thought it was obvious.

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          “Our true expression of oneself vs their disgusting marketing experiment “

          Just because you frame it like that doesn’t make it true

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          I can do this back and fourth all year (heh), but I don’t want to. We can frame these things either way, both have highly commercialised aspects and both have genuine real people doing it for passion.

          The issue is why is there a discrepancy? How often have you heard variations of the “Oh you X band, name all their songs” when it’s about a woman being a fan of a band or some other such? There is clearly a strong element of gender bias at play in how society allows people to express themselves.

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            There is some discrepancy, but you have women sport fans that are well received and in many genres of music, women fans are perceived the same as male fans, such as metal for instance. At least in real life.