Saw this posted somewhere. Not my words, but I and many Americans I know agree with this:
"To everyone outside the US who’s angry at Americans right now, especially those of us who hate Trump and feel trapped: Please understand this. We do not elect our president the way you think we do. Millions of us voted against him. Millions of us are terrified of the damage being done. We are not cheering this on. We are living inside it. If you’re wondering why we don’t just “revolt like the French” or “fix it” here is the reality of being an American right now:
Our system is rigid, slow, and stacked in ways that make “just revolt” a fantasy. We don’t have a culture where mass strikes shut the country down overnight. We don’t have a centralized government you can pressure in one city. We have fifty states, militarized policing, surveillance, debt, and jobs tied to health insurance. For many people, losing a job for protesting means losing healthcare and housing.
France is smaller than Texas. Organizing a “national” revolt across 3.8 million square miles (9.8 million square km) and 330 million people isn’t just difficult, it’s logistically close to impossible. That doesn’t mean we’re complacent. It means we’re constrained. Anger at US power is fair. Fear of US decisions is fair. But blaming every American, especially those who are fighting, exhausted, and scared alongside you, misses the mark.
We’re not watching this from the sidelines. We’re stuck in the same burning house. Just closer to the fire."
Edit: I believe credit goes to Jason Gervase, ASL Pinnacle
Not to dismiss the general sentiment of the message, but do you think french people go across the country to protest? Do you think we don’t have rent or mortgages to pay? Do you think our police isn’t violent?
I think French people have many more social safety nets to support them and that their police is not even remotely as violent as ours.
As for going across the country, that is directly addressed, France is very small compared to the entirety of the US.
I don’t actually really care about all the morons responding negatively to the copy/paste, I’m going to keep posting it. Europeans simply have it so much better than we do that they are completely unable to fathom that it’s so different in the US, which I would say is great, if so many of them weren’t such fucking cunts that believe themselves inherently superior by factor of country of birth that they feel the need to be so hateful online towards the people who are suffering from all of this, far, far worse than they are. They confidently demand violence and blood with zero comprehension of any nuance about the situation, understanding that not everyone fucking lives in or can get to Minneapolis on a days notice to kill ice agents or whatever.
Hundreds of people lost eyes, hands, legs and arms to flashballs and grenades during the yellow vests protests. A few were even killed. And there is no count of how many were wounded not that gravely.
When people don’t have money to go on strikes we organize caisses de grèves which are funds collected by unions to be given to the strikers, from people who have more money or cannot strike themselves.
Our ancestors died under live round fire to win the protections we have now, and we’re fighting to keep them every year. If you never start you’ll never have anything.
Iranians are currently protesting nationwide to overthrow the fuckers on top, a lot of them have died or have been thrown in jail without due process or anything.
When the Ukrainians revolted against the russian-backed regime, a lot of them died too.
Fighting for your rights is always risking something. If you don’t do it now, countless more citizens of the US and other countries will die or lose everything. It’s already happening en masse with ICE targeting people of color. It will only get worse from there.
As for going across the country, that is directly addressed, France is very small compared to the entirety of the US.
My point is that french people don’t travel to protests, they’re local events by and large. You don’t need to travel far away to participate. You don’t need to go to Minnesota to protest ICE killing people.
I’ll skip the part where you’re acting like a xenophobic asshole, I choose to believe you are only upset about the situation, and simply wish you best of luck in your struggles.
their police is not even remotely as violent as ours.
Just for your sake: the current administration in France considers you can’t complain if you lose a hand or an eye or end up in a coma if you’re present in a non-authorized protest, even if you’re not remotely violent. The protest ban can be a piece of paper displayed on a door in front of an admin building AFTER the protest started.
And still, there are protests, and protesters still defy bans.
So yes, for sure, US police kills way more people than the French one. But protesting in France is not as safe as you may think.
France is very small compared to the entirety of the US.
True, but beyond a certain scale, it doesn’t matter. You can’t just make a few phone calls and organize a general strike. And US can totally manage its scale by the way: you had simultaneous protests in many large cities.
The main difference is probably the organization body: France has country wide unions. Unions are not based on work sector, they are representing more political positioning. So if the “base” is willing, union leaders can propose strikes, and if it’s a national political matter, it can become a general strike.
But just like you had massive protests, you can have general strikes.
Europeans simply have it so much better than we do that they are completely unable to fathom that it’s so different in the US
“Europeans” are not a single homogenous body, and “have it better” does not mean much. Since you were talking about France: 10% of the population depends on food banks. 30% cannot afford 3 meals a day. 40% struggles with their bills. I don’t know the numbers in the US, but they would vary state by state and then city by city and by ethnicity, etc. … just like they do in France.
So some Europeans have it better than some US folks… and vice-versa. What matters at the end is who can do what and do these people have the will to act?
if so many of them weren’t such fucking cunts that believe themselves inherently superior by factor of country of birth
I’m pretty sure I read very similar comments about Americans believing strongly in their exceptionalism… Again: no country has that level of homogeneous thinking…
They confidently demand violence and blood with zero comprehension of any nuance about the situation, understanding that not everyone fucking lives in or can get to Minneapolis on a days notice to kill ice agents or whatever.
You stand exactly 0 chance to win a civil war if you’re in the rebel side anyway.
Gereral strikes is what make governments fall outside of elections. And it’s very painful for all. The question is: more painful than what’s to come?
I read that as “I refuse to imagine anything but this, sorry about causing WWIII but we have forgotten the 1930s and you are all going to have to save us because we have become Eloi.”
This statement fills me with real and bitter contempt.
Then you cannot read. You and people like you fill me with far more disappointment and despair at how far the human race has fallen in such a short time frame; callous and evil, and proudly ignorant and lazy.
Keep lecturing, yank. You made this, it’s on you to stop it. And if you rethink some of the astoundingly stupid things your culture believes, that could not hurt. But this is not a moment when any of us owe you a shred of understanding. You’re fucking up the world right now, and instead of blocking traffic you’re on here begging us to understand.
We understand just fine. It is you people who have never understood your own country.
This was not a coup. Trump won the majority of the popular vote. On top of that, millions and millions of Americans chose not to vote because they felt like letting Trump win was preferable to voting for an uninspiring candidate. The vast majority of Americans actively contributed to this happening, one way or another.
I am sad for the few true victims, those that actively and passionately campaigned against this and tried to open other people’s eyes to the reality of the situation. But I also completely understand the generalised resentment towards America and Americans that many in the rest of the world are feeling.
Remember, you might feel like you’re trapped in a burning house. We feel like we are trapped in an apartment building with our hands tied, forced to watch powerlessly as our bottom floor neighbour allows their maladapted child to set fire to their apartment and drag our entire building into hell while we can do nothing about it.
He won due to pure propaganda and a decades long plan to treat American citizens like cattle.
The masses are stressed, overworked, in fear of food/housing/health insurance.
They’re also dumbed down from dismantling public education and brainrot of mass media.
Media is controlled by the owning class and the owning class is going to protect thier interests. They wanted a puppet in office they can head-pat to further hoard thier money like brainless lizards.
Basically you say you are fucked and your hands are tied. The pedo-president and his folks can do whatever they want now. Thanks, that’s nice.
But either way, in my opinion the anger is still justified. You could and should have fought more before the elections to try and convince Trump voters to not vote for him.
But you have to understand, that while there is millions of good Russians, they still face the same general hate towards their country as long as they are a fucking threat to our lives. It means so little, when we have no idea who to trust. It’s not like all russians who supports putin, is wearing red hats Saying maga, so we can filter the bad ones from the good ones. All good People faces the same consequences, that was chosen by the majority. As long as you Guys votes “America first” we vote “America Last”.
Yet Trump won the “popular” vote. I don’t want to condone those who did vote against Trump. But damn… the popular vote… that really made me loose trust in the majority of the US population. To me it only makes sense if > 1/2 of the US population is seriously mentally ill (which it likely is). Otherwise it’s purely contradictionary to vote against your own interests (or let others decide in case of not voting).
Nah sorry about the few who are doing something and voted for the Dems. But not sorry for the rest of the population, they really dragged the reputation of the US into the deepest of sloppy slime (or something along these lines). And likely caused global instability (especially for the “west”).
One clarification: Not > 1/2 population, rather >1/2 voter turnout (about 64%) so about one third total population. They are a loud, stupid minority, but they show up to vote.
Right, probably slightly oversimplified.
But just because 36% did not vote, doesn’t mean they would all vote against Trump (well they didn’t vote, so…)
A good chunk of them still support (or supported at he time of the election) Trump. And the fact that they didn’t vote is also concerning in this important election (now especially in hindsight, but also at the time). Even as European it was extremely clear that everyone that doesn’t support Trump had to vote (the lesser evil), yet for some reason they didn’t. Because of reasons I just cannot fathom (as the result was and now is clear).
All I see here are excuses… excuses to justify inaction
The world has seen Murica decent into fascism for at least 15 years (as in CLEARLY FALLING)… sure it’s hard now but your own apathy and “fuck you got mine” attitude brought you here, there are no easy answers and you will NOT get out of this by waiting it out
While you do fuck all, the rest of the world suffers real pain… you think your ICE thugs are bad? (and yes, they are) what about the thousands your country kills around the world for sport?
So Muricans, fuck you, cry me a river and get to the fucking streets to stop the complete holy fucking mess YOU created
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband. ICE kills someone, I pull out my gun and start shooting at ICE and get killed when they shoot back.
What the fuck did I just accomplish? How did that help anything at all??
Like what the fuck are you thinking is going to happen here?
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband
Maybe just go to protest (on a weekday this time please)… let’s start there… you don’t have to indulge in your Murican violent fantasy for every scenario
Can you read? The original commenter was saying we should “use our second amendment rights”. In case you don’t know what that means it a reference to Americans second amendment which is the right to bear arms (guns). I can only assume you don’t know about it otherwise you wouldn’t have commented.
I’ll have escalated the situation to warrant the use of legal force against all future protestors. What the fuck is wrong with your brain that you can be so far off from reality??
They already use deadly force against current protestors, legality be damned.
At least admit you’re scared of facing reality, it’s no shame, half of that minority of muricans with a brain is probably in shock trying to.cope with all of this.
What planet are you living on? How many protesters do you think have been killed by ICE?? That’s ok, I’ll wait, you can use your fingers to help you count if you need to.
No, you’re just fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation. But yeah, keep whining online about how people whine online, hypocritical moron.
No, you gave up before trying… all the land of the free and home of the brave crap turned out to be more Murican PR based on hopes and dreams
It’s OK, as you have certainly seen in the news, they are coming for you sooner than later… maybe then you’ll realize that a small sacrifice yesterday was worth the huge sacrifice they’ll take off you tomorrow
Nobody is coming to solve this for you bud… so you can continue to pretend to be the victim or face the fact you helped cause this and now have to sacrifice a bit in the hopes of getting it fixed
Maybe start by organizing one of those cutesy No King marches on a weekday when it would actually affect something
Join a political party or an organization that is not one of the sellouts
Join any canal you can find that informs about protests, strikes and other actions
Educate yourself on the actual methods of protesting, what works or doesn’t work, what you should do or not
Organize these infos if needed and share them around
Equip yourself, take a dumb phone, take liquid eye cleaners droplets (no idea how it’s called in english), take something to cover your nose and mouth against tear gas, take some kind of eye protection
Learn your rights, what to do and learn a specific lawyer phone number (by heart) in case of arrest
Relay those links, organizations and everything around yourself
If it’s available to you and in line with your ethics, arm yourself before they confiscate weapons to politically awake citizens - and of course, start training yourself
This above is the easy part you can do from your couch. Then:
Follow and participate to your union/party/organization events/meet-ups/flyer distribution/cybermilitantism/…, try to help them in the ways you can. You have a car? Offer to bring food to the meet-ups. You’re following the news 24/7? Offer to set up a RSS feed or some kind of news aggregator with what’s important in your area and all the shit that’s happening. You’re good with computers? Help those that want it to install a linux distro instead of spyware OS…
It is very important to find or create networks of people around you that are decided to help improve the situation, as they can help you in case you need it. It doesn’t even mean that you have to join dangerous action (you define what’s dangerous for you), but even just signalling to the people that will act that they are not alone by being one more person in the group is already a boost for everyone, especially if you help them in some ways.
Then, as much as you can, participate in the group’s actions, and evangelize the group’s existence around you.
What if there’s no action? Try to push for it in the meet-ups. Start with something easy. Tracts distribution, door-to-door to offer help and support around your neighborhood and make the group known, sentry in your communities to signal ICE/dangerous individuals raids and presence, offer to be a contact or to help people that might be targeted next, create workshops to rewrite the constitution in a way that would make it better for everyone, organize debates where people of different opinions actually listen to each others…
The group needs to build confidence by actively doing something useful together. And it can stop here if people in the group have cold feet for more - it’s already great. Once the group is created and solid, it will be able to change direction if needed by the political climate.
Next steps if people are motivated: actual political activism. Protests, sit-ins, happenings, guerrilla urbanism, petitions, blocking highways, or going to talk to people in power… The research you’ve done in the first steps should give you ideas of what you can do, and how to do it.
Advice from a french protester: keep things joyful. Our protests are always a happy moment (up until the cops come and hit us), we’re singing, we’re dancing, we’re having fun. It shouldn’t be a chore to be there, and if possible the action should make people want to join you. It helps grow the movement, it helps grow the links between people, it gives a good image of the movement.
And what if there is no group like that around you? (Well I can’t believe there is no union, but ok.) Then build one! Start small, with people in your community, with people that work at the food bank, with people you’ve met at the No Kings protests or something.
You cannot succeed as individuals. This is political, and political is the action of the many. Join the many, help increase the many, create the many if needed. The more numerous you are, the stronger you will be.
I love Lemmy because of the way people of voting on comments on this thread. People are sharing their true feelings instead of the brainwashed safe for Reddit opinions that people have been conditioned to share online.
G g g guys… Don’t fight back, that’s what he wants. Just get a shovel and dig a hole in your backyard and bury yourself in it. It’s the only way to stop the violence…
Where is your second amendment Americans, you are all cowards for allowing this to continue
Saw this posted somewhere. Not my words, but I and many Americans I know agree with this:
"To everyone outside the US who’s angry at Americans right now, especially those of us who hate Trump and feel trapped: Please understand this. We do not elect our president the way you think we do. Millions of us voted against him. Millions of us are terrified of the damage being done. We are not cheering this on. We are living inside it. If you’re wondering why we don’t just “revolt like the French” or “fix it” here is the reality of being an American right now:
Our system is rigid, slow, and stacked in ways that make “just revolt” a fantasy. We don’t have a culture where mass strikes shut the country down overnight. We don’t have a centralized government you can pressure in one city. We have fifty states, militarized policing, surveillance, debt, and jobs tied to health insurance. For many people, losing a job for protesting means losing healthcare and housing.
France is smaller than Texas. Organizing a “national” revolt across 3.8 million square miles (9.8 million square km) and 330 million people isn’t just difficult, it’s logistically close to impossible. That doesn’t mean we’re complacent. It means we’re constrained. Anger at US power is fair. Fear of US decisions is fair. But blaming every American, especially those who are fighting, exhausted, and scared alongside you, misses the mark.
We’re not watching this from the sidelines. We’re stuck in the same burning house. Just closer to the fire."
Edit: I believe credit goes to Jason Gervase, ASL Pinnacle
Not to dismiss the general sentiment of the message, but do you think french people go across the country to protest? Do you think we don’t have rent or mortgages to pay? Do you think our police isn’t violent?
I think French people have many more social safety nets to support them and that their police is not even remotely as violent as ours.
As for going across the country, that is directly addressed, France is very small compared to the entirety of the US.
I don’t actually really care about all the morons responding negatively to the copy/paste, I’m going to keep posting it. Europeans simply have it so much better than we do that they are completely unable to fathom that it’s so different in the US, which I would say is great, if so many of them weren’t such fucking cunts that believe themselves inherently superior by factor of country of birth that they feel the need to be so hateful online towards the people who are suffering from all of this, far, far worse than they are. They confidently demand violence and blood with zero comprehension of any nuance about the situation, understanding that not everyone fucking lives in or can get to Minneapolis on a days notice to kill ice agents or whatever.
Hundreds of people lost eyes, hands, legs and arms to flashballs and grenades during the yellow vests protests. A few were even killed. And there is no count of how many were wounded not that gravely.
When people don’t have money to go on strikes we organize caisses de grèves which are funds collected by unions to be given to the strikers, from people who have more money or cannot strike themselves.
Our ancestors died under live round fire to win the protections we have now, and we’re fighting to keep them every year. If you never start you’ll never have anything.
Iranians are currently protesting nationwide to overthrow the fuckers on top, a lot of them have died or have been thrown in jail without due process or anything.
When the Ukrainians revolted against the russian-backed regime, a lot of them died too.
Fighting for your rights is always risking something. If you don’t do it now, countless more citizens of the US and other countries will die or lose everything. It’s already happening en masse with ICE targeting people of color. It will only get worse from there.
The revolution will not be paid hourly. The revolution will not come with a salary.
I’d tshirt that.
My point is that french people don’t travel to protests, they’re local events by and large. You don’t need to travel far away to participate. You don’t need to go to Minnesota to protest ICE killing people.
I’ll skip the part where you’re acting like a xenophobic asshole, I choose to believe you are only upset about the situation, and simply wish you best of luck in your struggles.
Just for your sake: the current administration in France considers you can’t complain if you lose a hand or an eye or end up in a coma if you’re present in a non-authorized protest, even if you’re not remotely violent. The protest ban can be a piece of paper displayed on a door in front of an admin building AFTER the protest started.
And still, there are protests, and protesters still defy bans.
So yes, for sure, US police kills way more people than the French one. But protesting in France is not as safe as you may think.
True, but beyond a certain scale, it doesn’t matter. You can’t just make a few phone calls and organize a general strike. And US can totally manage its scale by the way: you had simultaneous protests in many large cities.
The main difference is probably the organization body: France has country wide unions. Unions are not based on work sector, they are representing more political positioning. So if the “base” is willing, union leaders can propose strikes, and if it’s a national political matter, it can become a general strike.
But just like you had massive protests, you can have general strikes.
“Europeans” are not a single homogenous body, and “have it better” does not mean much. Since you were talking about France: 10% of the population depends on food banks. 30% cannot afford 3 meals a day. 40% struggles with their bills. I don’t know the numbers in the US, but they would vary state by state and then city by city and by ethnicity, etc. … just like they do in France. So some Europeans have it better than some US folks… and vice-versa. What matters at the end is who can do what and do these people have the will to act?
I’m pretty sure I read very similar comments about Americans believing strongly in their exceptionalism… Again: no country has that level of homogeneous thinking…
You stand exactly 0 chance to win a civil war if you’re in the rebel side anyway. Gereral strikes is what make governments fall outside of elections. And it’s very painful for all. The question is: more painful than what’s to come?
You mean all the victims of US’s foreign policy in the last decades?
I agree.
I read that as “I refuse to imagine anything but this, sorry about causing WWIII but we have forgotten the 1930s and you are all going to have to save us because we have become Eloi.”
This statement fills me with real and bitter contempt.
Then you cannot read. You and people like you fill me with far more disappointment and despair at how far the human race has fallen in such a short time frame; callous and evil, and proudly ignorant and lazy.
Keep lecturing, yank. You made this, it’s on you to stop it. And if you rethink some of the astoundingly stupid things your culture believes, that could not hurt. But this is not a moment when any of us owe you a shred of understanding. You’re fucking up the world right now, and instead of blocking traffic you’re on here begging us to understand.
We understand just fine. It is you people who have never understood your own country.
This was not a coup. Trump won the majority of the popular vote. On top of that, millions and millions of Americans chose not to vote because they felt like letting Trump win was preferable to voting for an uninspiring candidate. The vast majority of Americans actively contributed to this happening, one way or another.
I am sad for the few true victims, those that actively and passionately campaigned against this and tried to open other people’s eyes to the reality of the situation. But I also completely understand the generalised resentment towards America and Americans that many in the rest of the world are feeling.
Remember, you might feel like you’re trapped in a burning house. We feel like we are trapped in an apartment building with our hands tied, forced to watch powerlessly as our bottom floor neighbour allows their maladapted child to set fire to their apartment and drag our entire building into hell while we can do nothing about it.
He won due to pure propaganda and a decades long plan to treat American citizens like cattle.
The masses are stressed, overworked, in fear of food/housing/health insurance.
They’re also dumbed down from dismantling public education and brainrot of mass media.
Media is controlled by the owning class and the owning class is going to protect thier interests. They wanted a puppet in office they can head-pat to further hoard thier money like brainless lizards.
Basically you say you are fucked and your hands are tied. The pedo-president and his folks can do whatever they want now. Thanks, that’s nice.
But either way, in my opinion the anger is still justified. You could and should have fought more before the elections to try and convince Trump voters to not vote for him.
We tried, but then the additional ~25 million non-voters enabled them.
You could have tried to convince them to vote.
i’m sure they did. i don’t blame them for that part, those that voted against this.
but i can’t help but feel their actions since the election are not enough and i only hear excuses from them why they can’t/won’t do more.
But you have to understand, that while there is millions of good Russians, they still face the same general hate towards their country as long as they are a fucking threat to our lives. It means so little, when we have no idea who to trust. It’s not like all russians who supports putin, is wearing red hats Saying maga, so we can filter the bad ones from the good ones. All good People faces the same consequences, that was chosen by the majority. As long as you Guys votes “America first” we vote “America Last”.
If you don’t save your democracy/country soon it’s only going to get worse/harder to do so
Yet Trump won the “popular” vote. I don’t want to condone those who did vote against Trump. But damn… the popular vote… that really made me loose trust in the majority of the US population. To me it only makes sense if > 1/2 of the US population is seriously mentally ill (which it likely is). Otherwise it’s purely contradictionary to vote against your own interests (or let others decide in case of not voting).
Nah sorry about the few who are doing something and voted for the Dems. But not sorry for the rest of the population, they really dragged the reputation of the US into the deepest of sloppy slime (or something along these lines). And likely caused global instability (especially for the “west”).
One clarification: Not > 1/2 population, rather >1/2 voter turnout (about 64%) so about one third total population. They are a loud, stupid minority, but they show up to vote.
Right, probably slightly oversimplified. But just because 36% did not vote, doesn’t mean they would all vote against Trump (well they didn’t vote, so…) A good chunk of them still support (or supported at he time of the election) Trump. And the fact that they didn’t vote is also concerning in this important election (now especially in hindsight, but also at the time). Even as European it was extremely clear that everyone that doesn’t support Trump had to vote (the lesser evil), yet for some reason they didn’t. Because of reasons I just cannot fathom (as the result was and now is clear).
Its sad. Our reality version of Cyberpunk 2077. Get people dependent on the system and fuck them over and over again.
Oh fuck right off. 70 million voted for him, and tens of millions didn’t vote at all. This is exactly what America is.
Fuck you.
No matter stupid you are, he’s right.
Yeah because everyone knows it’s good to have your name down voting against the authoritarian psychopath who almost certainly won a rigged election.
Fuck right off back to Canada with your shitty opinions.
It was not rigged, you fucking blue MAGA dumbass
Ya huh, a few experts say they’d like to look into it but you of all people know better.
As an aside there is no blue maga nor am I a Democrat ya judgy dipshit.
All I see here are excuses… excuses to justify inaction
The world has seen Murica decent into fascism for at least 15 years (as in CLEARLY FALLING)… sure it’s hard now but your own apathy and “fuck you got mine” attitude brought you here, there are no easy answers and you will NOT get out of this by waiting it out
While you do fuck all, the rest of the world suffers real pain… you think your ICE thugs are bad? (and yes, they are) what about the thousands your country kills around the world for sport?
So Muricans, fuck you, cry me a river and get to the fucking streets to stop the complete holy fucking mess YOU created
So let’s say I go out to protest with a gun in my waistband. ICE kills someone, I pull out my gun and start shooting at ICE and get killed when they shoot back.
What the fuck did I just accomplish? How did that help anything at all??
Like what the fuck are you thinking is going to happen here?
Maybe just go to protest (on a weekday this time please)… let’s start there… you don’t have to indulge in your Murican violent fantasy for every scenario
Can you read? The original commenter was saying we should “use our second amendment rights”. In case you don’t know what that means it a reference to Americans second amendment which is the right to bear arms (guns). I can only assume you don’t know about it otherwise you wouldn’t have commented.
You will have shown ICE they can’t kill without consequence, making them think twice.
You will have encouraged others to fight alongside you.
Or you can stay on your couch. Thoughts and prayers and all that…
I’ll have escalated the situation to warrant the use of legal force against all future protestors. What the fuck is wrong with your brain that you can be so far off from reality??
They already use deadly force against current protestors, legality be damned.
At least admit you’re scared of facing reality, it’s no shame, half of that minority of muricans with a brain is probably in shock trying to.cope with all of this.
What planet are you living on? How many protesters do you think have been killed by ICE?? That’s ok, I’ll wait, you can use your fingers to help you count if you need to.
Oh, OK, it was “just a few” so fuck it. 👍
So how many dead people do you need before you personally think it’s worth getting off the couch?
You are right… stay silent and keep taking in the ass while the rest of the world burns from your stupidity
Eat shit you waste of space. Comment your bullshit on web forums and think your doing something remotely useful. Get a life.
No, I’m complaining Muricans are doing nothing… learn to read, then you can insult me all you want
No, you’re just fundamentally misunderstanding the reality of the situation. But yeah, keep whining online about how people whine online, hypocritical moron.
No, you gave up before trying… all the land of the free and home of the brave crap turned out to be more Murican PR based on hopes and dreams
It’s OK, as you have certainly seen in the news, they are coming for you sooner than later… maybe then you’ll realize that a small sacrifice yesterday was worth the huge sacrifice they’ll take off you tomorrow
Exactly what kind of action should I be taking according to you?
something? anything?
OK, thanks. Real helpful.
Nobody is coming to solve this for you bud… so you can continue to pretend to be the victim or face the fact you helped cause this and now have to sacrifice a bit in the hopes of getting it fixed
Maybe start by organizing one of those cutesy No King marches on a weekday when it would actually affect something
I mean, at least as an exercise for when fascism inevitably comes to your country what specifically should I be doing right now?
Since nobody answers, here’s what I’d do:
This above is the easy part you can do from your couch. Then:
It is very important to find or create networks of people around you that are decided to help improve the situation, as they can help you in case you need it. It doesn’t even mean that you have to join dangerous action (you define what’s dangerous for you), but even just signalling to the people that will act that they are not alone by being one more person in the group is already a boost for everyone, especially if you help them in some ways.
Then, as much as you can, participate in the group’s actions, and evangelize the group’s existence around you.
What if there’s no action? Try to push for it in the meet-ups. Start with something easy. Tracts distribution, door-to-door to offer help and support around your neighborhood and make the group known, sentry in your communities to signal ICE/dangerous individuals raids and presence, offer to be a contact or to help people that might be targeted next, create workshops to rewrite the constitution in a way that would make it better for everyone, organize debates where people of different opinions actually listen to each others… The group needs to build confidence by actively doing something useful together. And it can stop here if people in the group have cold feet for more - it’s already great. Once the group is created and solid, it will be able to change direction if needed by the political climate.
Next steps if people are motivated: actual political activism. Protests, sit-ins, happenings, guerrilla urbanism, petitions, blocking highways, or going to talk to people in power… The research you’ve done in the first steps should give you ideas of what you can do, and how to do it. Advice from a french protester: keep things joyful. Our protests are always a happy moment (up until the cops come and hit us), we’re singing, we’re dancing, we’re having fun. It shouldn’t be a chore to be there, and if possible the action should make people want to join you. It helps grow the movement, it helps grow the links between people, it gives a good image of the movement.
And what if there is no group like that around you? (Well I can’t believe there is no union, but ok.) Then build one! Start small, with people in your community, with people that work at the food bank, with people you’ve met at the No Kings protests or something.
You cannot succeed as individuals. This is political, and political is the action of the many. Join the many, help increase the many, create the many if needed. The more numerous you are, the stronger you will be.
Wow! What specific, actionable advice you’ve given. Go take your stupidity somewhere else.
Why is it up to me to tell you how to save your country?
Oh whoa is me, we’re so terribly dumb we didn’t know what we were doing. It wasn’t me it was him
That’s the same excuse that children use
I’m sorry you’re not intelligent enough to read and can only sling playground insults like the child you are
I don’t own a gun, it’s not required. If I did, I wouldn’t run out in the street and just start shooting people because that’s fucking insane.
I love Lemmy because of the way people of voting on comments on this thread. People are sharing their true feelings instead of the brainwashed safe for Reddit opinions that people have been conditioned to share online.
G g g guys… Don’t fight back, that’s what he wants. Just get a shovel and dig a hole in your backyard and bury yourself in it. It’s the only way to stop the violence…
It is what he wants, you goddamn dumbass.
the truth is that he will take either one. the oppression continues either way.
so the question is, which path has the chance for you to actually become free?
He wants you to be afraid to stand up to him under the threat of him making it worse.
Reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future where Biff is twisting Marty’s father’s arm… when will muricans punch back?
They’re now working for ICE
Where are you from?
Im one of this continents original occupants