• ThisGuyThat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    143·
    2 days ago

    Discovery was great, but felt like a space show with Trek slapped on sometimes. SNW felt more Trek than the others to me.

    • MadMadBunny@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      Let’s not forget that it’s thanks to Discovery that we got all the Nu Trek like SNW, Prodigy, Picard, LD, and Academy.

    • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      felt like a space show with Trek slapped on sometimes

      So many shows in established IP feel this way because that’s exactly what happens, even if not the original intent.

      The Halo TV series was never intended to be Halo until it failed to get picked up as a standalone Sci fi show, and then they replaced names and locations in the same way a 5th grader might use “Find&Replace” to change names in a word document (think Michael Scarn vs Michael Scott). It’s so obvious they wanted to be their own independent thing and shoehorned in all the Halo parts.

      Discovery FEELS like they want to make a star trek show, but that they ALSO want to tell their own story. I think every creative wants to leave an impact on things, otherwise why bother trying to tell the same old story that’s been told before? So I’m perfectly okay with each series being a different tone, with different perspectives on things (I like to think inter-series contradictions are simply results of different points of view).

      That said, discovery definitely feels like the “Pick Me” kid in the IP. It’s trying too hard to be “different” sometimes, and it clearly wants to be set in a “relevant” time while also being technologically on par with other shows we’ve seen already, two ideas that are incompatible. There’s over a hundred years of difference between discovery and Voyager, which I think was the latest-running series in terms of stardate?

      Discovery could have been a lot better, I think, if they had stayed closer to classic trek-type stories, but I’m still glad they tried steering away. You don’t know your limits if you never test them.

      • MadMadBunny@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Let’s not forget that it’s thanks to Discovery that we got all the Nu Trek like SNW, Prodigy, Picard, LD, and Academy.

        They pushed very different while keeping the core as much as possible, not without mistakes (aka the vast empty space inside the TARDIS Discovery in the turbolift fight scene), but they did it successfully. And we should all be grateful for that.

        • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          I can appreciate that it paved way for more shows while also not caring for it.

          With apologies to everyone who loves it, I don’t particularly care for TOS. Yet without it I would have none of my favorite shows.

          • MadMadBunny@lemmy.caEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            EXACTLY. I sometimes have trouble rewatching TOS, early TNG or even Voyager today because of how cringe and uneasing some remarks or episodes feel today, even reminding myself that they were trying to educate people into not to misbehave sometimes, but still… and yet I highly respect all of them.

            • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              I usually skip s1&2 of tng when I re-watch except a few key episodes.

              Some things just don’t click with me, or are just too on-the-nose to take seriously.

              TOS is particularly bad when it comes to themes that boil down to “don’t be racist and sexist”, but they’re all a product of the times. And CLEARLY we still have those issues today, but it’s preaching to the choir vibes when I watch them.

              I don’t have to like any of the shows, but I do feel I still need to support them, otherwise we might not get more because the corps that own the IP don’t hear enough praise.