Way to miss the point. Deportation is not always bad. You can have it in a targeted and humane — and righteous — way without terrorizing US citizens and invading American cities and without funding a masked Gestapo apparatus.
But you were hating that woman first before reading her statement. Please proceed.
No but I understand you painting me in that light makes it easier to see the world in black and white and therefore easier to dismiss what I actually said.
Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just… letting them apply for paperwork easier?
Not to demerit this person but O-1 (or EB1) is not the easiest setting at all, they need to demonstrate their “extraordinary ability”, hence the many reports he needs to provide. Easiest setting would be employment based EB2 or EB3
That’s fair. Hillary. Minton is a piece of shit politician but she is not even close to the other pieces of shit that are actually in the Epstein Class.
It’s important to hold politicians accountable. However, twisting their words to fit our argument against fascism is simply playing their game. Doesn’t make us better and we sure as hell don’t win by doing it.
You are stupid and you are wrong. Just to preempt it because I know it’s coming: this is not an ad hominem. You’re not wrong because you’re stupid, you just happen to be both.
Who do you think laid the foundations for the ICE Gestapo? Was it perhaps the “Deporter-in-Chief” and his party, who repeatedly approved massive funding increases, expanded detention capacity, normalized local–federal cooperation, and stifled every serious attempt to dismantle the apparatus once it existed?
Hillary bragging about deportation numbers isn’t some abstract endorsement of “targeted and humane” enforcement. She’s boasting about participation in a system that already relied on mass detention, racial profiling, family separation through removal, and routine due-process abuse. The only difference is that under Obama and Clinton it was wrapped in technocratic language and better PR.
Your chauvinist ass is treating racially targeted state violence as acceptable so long as it’s quiet, bureaucratic, and doesn’t visibly impact white citizens or comfortable middle-class communities. Obama-era deportations didn’t feel like “Gestapo tactics” to you because they were overwhelmingly inflicted on undocumented and non-white migrants, out of sight and off camera. Raids, cages, deportation flights, and shattered families were already happening. You just didn’t care, because it wasn’t framed as a crisis for white Americans.
It’s peak liberal chauvinism. Migrant lives are disposable, but the moment enforcement becomes louder or uglier, suddenly it’s a problem.
Also it is objectively, morally and in every other conceivable way correct to hate the Clinton’s, Obama, the Bushes and Reagan alongside basically every high level American politician. They are a cabal of pedophiles who have immiserated the world on an industrial scale for decades.
The fact that you can’t process a basic argument about institutional continuity yet feel confident calling someone else stupid is wild. Kids were already in cages, detention capacity was already expanded, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security were getting pumped with funding year after year under Obama, you think that had zero relationship to what came after? Infrastructure doesn’t materialize out of thin air just because you discovered the word “fascism” in 2017. Pretending the machinery was harmless until someone you dislike used it more aggressively just makes you look like you have the memory of a goldfish and no object permanence. Or does it only count when white people get hurt?
Kicking someone to a place where they don’t want to / cannot live is not bad?
Even if you kick someone out for “right” reasons (which is already not proven to exist) it is still bad, that is the point, if it was something nice it would not be used as a punishment.
Are you insane? Maybe I need to explain at a kindergarten level on the internet to people like you.
-Immigration should be allowed and is allowed.
-ICE in its current format should not exist.
-People are “illegal” because the current administration has made it hard to emigrate through normal channels.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?
Do you think we should arrest them and give them due process and then deport them if warranted OR do you think we should do whatever the fuck it is the current assholes are doing?
You don’t own anger. I also feel it and hate this fucking current state my country exists within.
Pretending I’m a (checks your comment) “Nazi” because I pointed to this crazy politician’s words being misconstrued to fit the .ml screeching is surely an answer to the question with which I started this reply.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?
Why should they be deported? You’re begging the question that deportation is the solution to those problems in the first place. You’re also saying this like the point of ICE was ever to catch violent criminals, when it has always been an agency that exists to catch people who haven’t otherwise been processed by the criminal justice system. The violent criminals who happen to be immigrants are already caught and processed by the regular cops who are tasked with dealing with those crimes.
The US public are quite happy with the way things are going at present and even if the Democratic leadership getting back in would do anything they will use the very same mechanisms that have been put in place over the many years of little changes here and there.
If the majority of US citizens where not happy with how things where and what’s happening the government would be in complete shutdown with real strikes from every state … but it is not. This is the real United States.
“humane concentration camps” Here, right here, is how the anti-vegan discourse creeps into fascism. This might as well have been a vegetarian talking about how their eggs “don’t require chick killing”.
From the person who brought you “Pokemon Go to the polls”…
Way to miss the point. Deportation is not always bad. You can have it in a targeted and humane — and righteous — way without terrorizing US citizens and invading American cities and without funding a masked Gestapo apparatus.
But you were hating that woman first before reading her statement. Please proceed.
The only problem you have with fascism is sometimes it accidentally hurts the good people huh
Look, it’s okay if an innocent person is killed from the death penalty. We just need to teach the real murderers that much harder. /s
This is not even in the same universe as what I said.
No but I understand you painting me in that light makes it easier to see the world in black and white and therefore easier to dismiss what I actually said.
Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just… letting them apply for paperwork easier?
You might wanna check out what immigration looks like on the easiest setting: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/06/doge-ball/
Not to demerit this person but O-1 (or EB1) is not the easiest setting at all, they need to demonstrate their “extraordinary ability”, hence the many reports he needs to provide. Easiest setting would be employment based EB2 or EB3
Nowhere did I argue that immigration is easy or that the PedoNazis haven’t made it extremely difficult so they can criminalize and target minorities.
People are eager to attribute things to my comment without actually reading the comment. What gives?
Smh people just can’t stand to see a girlboss fascist (who had slaves in the 1980s) succeed
You’re a clown
What the fuck. Are you daft? This confused and made me laugh. A rare combination.
After what she did to Libya, why wouldn’t I?
That’s fair. Hillary. Minton is a piece of shit politician but she is not even close to the other pieces of shit that are actually in the Epstein Class.
It’s important to hold politicians accountable. However, twisting their words to fit our argument against fascism is simply playing their game. Doesn’t make us better and we sure as hell don’t win by doing it.
You are stupid and you are wrong. Just to preempt it because I know it’s coming: this is not an ad hominem. You’re not wrong because you’re stupid, you just happen to be both.
Who do you think laid the foundations for the ICE Gestapo? Was it perhaps the “Deporter-in-Chief” and his party, who repeatedly approved massive funding increases, expanded detention capacity, normalized local–federal cooperation, and stifled every serious attempt to dismantle the apparatus once it existed?
Hillary bragging about deportation numbers isn’t some abstract endorsement of “targeted and humane” enforcement. She’s boasting about participation in a system that already relied on mass detention, racial profiling, family separation through removal, and routine due-process abuse. The only difference is that under Obama and Clinton it was wrapped in technocratic language and better PR.
Your chauvinist ass is treating racially targeted state violence as acceptable so long as it’s quiet, bureaucratic, and doesn’t visibly impact white citizens or comfortable middle-class communities. Obama-era deportations didn’t feel like “Gestapo tactics” to you because they were overwhelmingly inflicted on undocumented and non-white migrants, out of sight and off camera. Raids, cages, deportation flights, and shattered families were already happening. You just didn’t care, because it wasn’t framed as a crisis for white Americans.
It’s peak liberal chauvinism. Migrant lives are disposable, but the moment enforcement becomes louder or uglier, suddenly it’s a problem.
Also it is objectively, morally and in every other conceivable way correct to hate the Clinton’s, Obama, the Bushes and Reagan alongside basically every high level American politician. They are a cabal of pedophiles who have immiserated the world on an industrial scale for decades.
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The fact that you can’t process a basic argument about institutional continuity yet feel confident calling someone else stupid is wild. Kids were already in cages, detention capacity was already expanded, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security were getting pumped with funding year after year under Obama, you think that had zero relationship to what came after? Infrastructure doesn’t materialize out of thin air just because you discovered the word “fascism” in 2017. Pretending the machinery was harmless until someone you dislike used it more aggressively just makes you look like you have the memory of a goldfish and no object permanence. Or does it only count when white people get hurt?
Not always bad? Wtf is that nazi crap?
Kicking someone to a place where they don’t want to / cannot live is not bad?
Even if you kick someone out for “right” reasons (which is already not proven to exist) it is still bad, that is the point, if it was something nice it would not be used as a punishment.
Are you insane? Maybe I need to explain at a kindergarten level on the internet to people like you.
-Immigration should be allowed and is allowed.
-ICE in its current format should not exist.
-People are “illegal” because the current administration has made it hard to emigrate through normal channels.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?
Do you think we should arrest them and give them due process and then deport them if warranted OR do you think we should do whatever the fuck it is the current assholes are doing?
You don’t own anger. I also feel it and hate this fucking current state my country exists within.
Pretending I’m a (checks your comment) “Nazi” because I pointed to this crazy politician’s words being misconstrued to fit the .ml screeching is surely an answer to the question with which I started this reply.
Why should they be deported? You’re begging the question that deportation is the solution to those problems in the first place. You’re also saying this like the point of ICE was ever to catch violent criminals, when it has always been an agency that exists to catch people who haven’t otherwise been processed by the criminal justice system. The violent criminals who happen to be immigrants are already caught and processed by the regular cops who are tasked with dealing with those crimes.
The only right reasons: They’re a human trafficker and you’re kicking them out into the middle of the oceans.
In the context of US imperialism, yes, deportation is always bad. This country has no right to close its borders.
I have you tagged as .ml moron. I see you lived up to that.
Guess I forgot to block you before.
The US public are quite happy with the way things are going at present and even if the Democratic leadership getting back in would do anything they will use the very same mechanisms that have been put in place over the many years of little changes here and there.
If the majority of US citizens where not happy with how things where and what’s happening the government would be in complete shutdown with real strikes from every state … but it is not. This is the real United States.
Hopefully this doesn’t blow your mind but I agree with you.
“humane concentration camps” Here, right here, is how the anti-vegan discourse creeps into fascism. This might as well have been a vegetarian talking about how their eggs “don’t require chick killing”.
This is a stupid metaphor that doesn’t match anything I said.