• pebbles@sh.itjust.works
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        I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience.

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          Learning and passing down knowledge are great human capabilities. That goes without saying. I was questioning how much that applies to the idea of anarchy before you’re simply thinking about it too much. Like, are you making rules for how to anarchy?

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            2 hours ago

            Anarchism has a good deal of theory associated with how a horizontalist society can come to be and function. It very much isn’t just 'vibes," even if I disagree with it.

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              See that’s the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don’t. Its something that can be kept from you. If someone can be ‘in the know’ about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes.

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                This is the most extreme form of vibes-based politics I think I’ve seen in a while. By that standard, schools should not exist. This is peak anti-intellectualism to the point of absurdity.

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                  1 hour ago

                  WTF are you talking about? I’m talking about anarchy. Not whether schools should exist. If your employing anarchy as a system of government and expecting schools I don’t know what to say. That’s absurd no matter how much you love the concept.

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                    1 hour ago

                    Have you actually read anarchist theory? I have. I don’t agree with it, but the idea that education is an unjustifiable hierarchy is absurd.

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                Unfortunately we have to live in the real world though. IMO anarchy will likely always be a direction rather than a position. I have a fearful inclination to belive that humans naturally form hierarchy and therefore we must learn how to mitigate that tendency. I can’t imagine a better world appears from ignorance and vibes.

                It’s hard for me to imagine anarchy existing without a culture that believes in it and knows how to execute on it. That’ll take a lot of hard work and knowledge to produce.

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                  But what is the IT they know how to execute? Anarchy isn’t really a ‘thing’ so much as an absence of a thing. The idea of a government built on no government is contradictory. That’s why you have to vibe it.

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                    54 minutes ago

                    A lack of rules feels more like libertarianism than anarchism. Hierarchy will form if you just sit around and let it. Don’t you agree?

                    The IT is basically whatever egalitarian system we know we can perpetuate. Being anti hierarchy is much more complex and active than just vibing it out.