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    10 days ago

    Not sure what kind of humans you know, but nobody likes for a stranger to get there, push their political opinions, call it science, say it’s for their good, and imply you know fuckshit in the process. It’s fine for edgy debates on the internet, but it doesn’t fly to build relationships in the real world. Especially if on the other side there’s somebody saying “You’re fine as you are, come with me, I will make you rich.”

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      Not sure what kind of humans you know

      Non-westerners

      Westerners are fucking pathetic. You coukd learn from the global south (despite less wealth and harsher conditions of capital) but you choose not to. You could learn the science of capital, imperialism and from that how to build socialism scientifically but you choose not to. Because at the end of the day at most the most “progressive” a lot of you will amount to is to spread that loot of imperialism that more equitably. That is not progressive; that’s just an empire stability modifier.

      https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

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        You’re fetishizing Non-Westeners because the strategy you want to use work there and not here, and instead of changing strategy, you project yourself into a different context. The article is clearly about the Global North, for which what you described has failed over and over. You make politics with the people you have, not with the people you would like to have. Blaming workers for not being receptive to your strategies is delusional.

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          How are police unions working out for you?You realise Strasserites were shot by the Nazis?

          what you described has failed over and over

          Marxism-leninism has been overwhelmingly successful. Stop being so myopic.

          Blaming workers for not being receptive to your strategies is delusional.

          Workerism is not socialism. The privilege of the Western worker to dine on the blood of the Global South is not my concern.

          You make politics with the people you have, not with the people you would like to have.

          Find better people. Literally genocides amd mass murders happening all over the place.

          You’re fetishizing Non-Westeners

          Western exceptionalism at its finest. You are at best the PR wing of fascists. Be a better human being.

          This can be an oppurtunity for you to learn:

          • Underdevelopment of Africa by Walter Rodney (to help understand labour aristocracy /bourgoisie proleteriat)
          • On persuasion: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
          • if that has changed your mind then we have whole ML reading lists
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            6 days ago

            You live in a world of fantasy. Fascists are taking over the whole of the West. Do something about it and stop larping.

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              If you think fascists are only now just taking over the west - the west that is involved in brutal mass murder, torture, imprisonment and mass rape all over the global south and within its own borders and ongoing for centuries - then it is because you have been privileged enough not to to feel its barbarism till now.

              It is your fantasy that is being popped. What you want is to go back to how it was were you weren’t as affected as much. You’re giving the impression of larping solidarity because you’ve presumably felt a fraction of that pain.

              The white conservatives aren’t friends of the Negro either, but they at least don’t try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the “smiling” fox. - Malcolm X

              (pro tip: if someone has not told you to piss off already in response to the awful shit you said, and then signposted reading resources, and especially pointed to the Global South as a resource to learn from them, then chances are they from the Global South.

              Don’t be a fucking fool and look down on what’s valuable because of western hubris.

              Educate yourself. Otherwise you ain’t no friend; the guy with the SS tattoo is just more honest.

              Marxism is a science and you should give yourself the decency as a human being to learn it; it is the only thing to defeat fascists and if you won’t learn it then you are their aid - willing or unwilling. Quackery does not stop the growth of malignancy, only the scientific application of chemotherapy has a fighting chance.)