Listen, I don’t doubt that the Iranian state killed some people. I am not a fool. However, I don’t buy that they slaughtered 10s of thousands of peaceful protestors in the street as the enemies of Iran claim. I am assuming that this is what the original commenter was referencing as that is the most commonly propagated story.
I consider it propaganda because the protests in Iran were obviously a foreign instigated attempt at regime change which failed. The actions of the Iranian state, including the internet blackout (which was an attempt disrupt communication between foreign agitators and their agents) and violence, are in some part why it failed. The current war in Iran is a result of that failure. This is not to say that the Iranian people have no reason to despise their state or resist it violently. I only claim that this sentiment was heavily exploited for the purpose of regime change, and had it succeded the greatest threat to the genocidal state of Israel would have been eliminated.
In that context any reporting from western sources should be treated with the utmost scrutiny or, given their record of manufacturing consent for violence, utter distrust. The sources given for their claims are completely unreliable and I encourage to search for any hard evidence.
Dude most Americans didn’t believe that the Holocaust was happening until the first camps were being liberated by GI’s. Reports were made to FDR about what was going on, a few snippets came out here and there but it was not widely publicized and not believed by those who heard it usually. The scale of death and human atrocity seemed unreal mixed with the world war 1 anti German propaganda which proved mostly wrong that when the truth was widely made clear they made sure to film it and document it so that nobody could deny it. Just because you don’t like the administration and they are looking for any reason to distract from the Epstein files doesn’t mean that the Iranian government isn’t doing what totalitarian, or small coalition governments, do everywhere, which is to supress their restive population at escalating degrees until either the protests stop or a civil war starts.
Yeah sure, but the difference is that this absolutely could be easily documented. Most iranians have phones, most could record evidence and save it for when they do have outside communication. Most news agencies would jump on this evidence and even pay money for it because it would support their narrative. We have significantly more means and a significantly greater motive (in the eyes of the american state atleast). We are not in the 1940s anymore. Not to mention that the US and Israel had access to Iranian street surveillance footage for years and would have produced video evidence for their claims if they could. You should read the brookings institute plan for US policy towards Iran.
I never denied that the Iranian government was repressive to be clear.
Listen, I don’t doubt that the Iranian state killed some people. I am not a fool. However, I don’t buy that they slaughtered 10s of thousands of peaceful protestors in the street as the enemies of Iran claim. I am assuming that this is what the original commenter was referencing as that is the most commonly propagated story.
I consider it propaganda because the protests in Iran were obviously a foreign instigated attempt at regime change which failed. The actions of the Iranian state, including the internet blackout (which was an attempt disrupt communication between foreign agitators and their agents) and violence, are in some part why it failed. The current war in Iran is a result of that failure. This is not to say that the Iranian people have no reason to despise their state or resist it violently. I only claim that this sentiment was heavily exploited for the purpose of regime change, and had it succeded the greatest threat to the genocidal state of Israel would have been eliminated.
In that context any reporting from western sources should be treated with the utmost scrutiny or, given their record of manufacturing consent for violence, utter distrust. The sources given for their claims are completely unreliable and I encourage to search for any hard evidence.
Dude most Americans didn’t believe that the Holocaust was happening until the first camps were being liberated by GI’s. Reports were made to FDR about what was going on, a few snippets came out here and there but it was not widely publicized and not believed by those who heard it usually. The scale of death and human atrocity seemed unreal mixed with the world war 1 anti German propaganda which proved mostly wrong that when the truth was widely made clear they made sure to film it and document it so that nobody could deny it. Just because you don’t like the administration and they are looking for any reason to distract from the Epstein files doesn’t mean that the Iranian government isn’t doing what totalitarian, or small coalition governments, do everywhere, which is to supress their restive population at escalating degrees until either the protests stop or a civil war starts.
Yeah sure, but the difference is that this absolutely could be easily documented. Most iranians have phones, most could record evidence and save it for when they do have outside communication. Most news agencies would jump on this evidence and even pay money for it because it would support their narrative. We have significantly more means and a significantly greater motive (in the eyes of the american state atleast). We are not in the 1940s anymore. Not to mention that the US and Israel had access to Iranian street surveillance footage for years and would have produced video evidence for their claims if they could. You should read the brookings institute plan for US policy towards Iran.
I never denied that the Iranian government was repressive to be clear.
Oops, you fell for my propaganda, and I didn’t even have to use real words.
I read your other comment?