I don’t understand this logic. Democrats are corrupt, genocidal and evil. If your worldview prevents you from publicly admitting this even if you silently agree, then how can you ever fight for a better future?
Obviously just because the Democrats are evil that doesn’t mean you should vote for the more evil party. You should recognize that Democrats aren’t the solution to the problem and look for some alternative pathway to real, long-term change. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I don’t see a solution where we don’t change the democratic party but I will say that most canidates I voted for did not win but its not all bad. Kat came very close to defeating biss which is historic in its own way given how young she was and how much of an established party guy he was. For senate we have stratton which I feel is better than the initial front runner but my real progressive pick was kelly. People need to realize how important the primaries are. ugh hynes won over kagi for comptroller. I saw a lot of twisting of situations to try and take back progressive winners from before back to machine party type of canidates. incumbent kept his state congressional seat in my area unfortunately to.
I don’t believe our elections are not free and democratic they just have a process that favors a two party system and people are easily manipulated. I mean my mind is blown by how aweful the typical politcal ad is and most will turn me more off to the canidate than get me to vote for them but unfortunately I believe the average person is nothing like me. I mean I don’t want everyone to be like me but I would not mind if most people had a greater level of cognitive ability. Sure it would make me an idiot relatively but it would greatly increase the intelligence of our societies. I do believe citizens need to realize how important and precious our system is under the constituiton and how bar none our biggest issue currently is the constitution being violated as a matter of policy (as opposed to single individual one time events which is as unavoidable as any other one single individual one time crime ).
Do you think that a candidate with a campaign backed by billion-dollar donors would have the same access to democracy as a grass roots candidate self-financing their campaign through working class donors? Or that a candidate backed by the mainstream media would be as likely to win as a candidate who is smeared by the mainstream media?
That’s what I mean by free and democratic - that each candidate has a fair shot of winning based on their policy platform and messaging alone.
this is on the voters. Oh no. They have so much money. I can’t resist voting for them. I mean while I can be mad that other folks don’t vote well and I agree we need to get money out of the sytem, I still live in a democracy where ballots are cast and counted and adjudicated fairly. I have been an observer which is not hard to do. Civic organizations, parties, and canidates are generally desperate for them as it takes time. That and being an election judge is an amazing experience and a good way to understand the election process.
It doesn’t really matter whose fault it is, though, the fact is that most people are completely unengaged with politics, so it doesn’t matter how progressive your candidates are, the capitalists can just flood the zone and manipulate those voters into voting against their own interests.
Electoralism simply isn’t a magic solution to our problems. Of course those who can should use every tool we have to try and shift the needle, but the system is rigged against us, we need to work on dismantling the system from outside it, as well as from within. Protest and elect, with an emphasis on protest. We need to build a real worker led movement.
And yet, despite having more popular support than Clinton, he did not win the nomination in 2016, which led to the first Trump presidency. Why do you think that was?
Then what’s your solution? It sounds like you’re just being antagonistic to everyone and making noise. Please lead with concrete strategy NOT idealism. The reason the “evil” parties are in power is because they have concrete solutions which can be implemented immediately and you have only theory.
The only solution is a social revolution, which is what I advocate for. Of course, I don’t have all the answers, no one does, but I would propose building a worker-led movement similar to the Black Panthers - many people aren’t aware of this, but the Black Panthers actually provided a variety of what they called “survival services”, such as The Free Breakfast For Children program, clothing distribution, classes on politics and economics, free medical clinics, lessons on self-defense and first aid, transportation to upstate prisons for family members of inmates, an emergency-response ambulance program, drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and testing for sickle-cell disease.
We also need to form a solid structure of industrial unions and workers co-operatives, so that we can provide goods and services to the working class without the need for the state’s currency or hierarchical structure. Once we have unionized enough industries, we will no longer need the state, and it can be allowed to atrophy and die. It is likely that the ruling class will not allow this to happen without a fight, so we will also need to defend our new society from them. I’d recommend reading an Anarchist FAQ for more information and joining the IWW, as well as getting involved in activist activities in your area.
Yeah - JFK was more than happy to commit acts of terrorism against Cuban people, but he drew the line at Americans. Great example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Aw you’re right. Golly, I hate democrats so much! I’m going to vote red down the ballot this November. Thanks for clearing that up for us!
Woof…
I don’t understand this logic. Democrats are corrupt, genocidal and evil. If your worldview prevents you from publicly admitting this even if you silently agree, then how can you ever fight for a better future?
Obviously just because the Democrats are evil that doesn’t mean you should vote for the more evil party. You should recognize that Democrats aren’t the solution to the problem and look for some alternative pathway to real, long-term change. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I don’t see a solution where we don’t change the democratic party but I will say that most canidates I voted for did not win but its not all bad. Kat came very close to defeating biss which is historic in its own way given how young she was and how much of an established party guy he was. For senate we have stratton which I feel is better than the initial front runner but my real progressive pick was kelly. People need to realize how important the primaries are. ugh hynes won over kagi for comptroller. I saw a lot of twisting of situations to try and take back progressive winners from before back to machine party type of canidates. incumbent kept his state congressional seat in my area unfortunately to.
If our elections are not free and democratic, what makes you think the primaries are?
I don’t believe our elections are not free and democratic they just have a process that favors a two party system and people are easily manipulated. I mean my mind is blown by how aweful the typical politcal ad is and most will turn me more off to the canidate than get me to vote for them but unfortunately I believe the average person is nothing like me. I mean I don’t want everyone to be like me but I would not mind if most people had a greater level of cognitive ability. Sure it would make me an idiot relatively but it would greatly increase the intelligence of our societies. I do believe citizens need to realize how important and precious our system is under the constituiton and how bar none our biggest issue currently is the constitution being violated as a matter of policy (as opposed to single individual one time events which is as unavoidable as any other one single individual one time crime ).
Do you think that a candidate with a campaign backed by billion-dollar donors would have the same access to democracy as a grass roots candidate self-financing their campaign through working class donors? Or that a candidate backed by the mainstream media would be as likely to win as a candidate who is smeared by the mainstream media?
That’s what I mean by free and democratic - that each candidate has a fair shot of winning based on their policy platform and messaging alone.
this is on the voters. Oh no. They have so much money. I can’t resist voting for them. I mean while I can be mad that other folks don’t vote well and I agree we need to get money out of the sytem, I still live in a democracy where ballots are cast and counted and adjudicated fairly. I have been an observer which is not hard to do. Civic organizations, parties, and canidates are generally desperate for them as it takes time. That and being an election judge is an amazing experience and a good way to understand the election process.
It doesn’t really matter whose fault it is, though, the fact is that most people are completely unengaged with politics, so it doesn’t matter how progressive your candidates are, the capitalists can just flood the zone and manipulate those voters into voting against their own interests.
Electoralism simply isn’t a magic solution to our problems. Of course those who can should use every tool we have to try and shift the needle, but the system is rigged against us, we need to work on dismantling the system from outside it, as well as from within. Protest and elect, with an emphasis on protest. We need to build a real worker led movement.
There are lots of good Dems. I bet Bernie wouldn’t have authorised that.
And yet, despite having more popular support than Clinton, he did not win the nomination in 2016, which led to the first Trump presidency. Why do you think that was?
Fair. He should have joined PSL.
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Bernie sanders is literally not even a democrat.
Then what’s your solution? It sounds like you’re just being antagonistic to everyone and making noise. Please lead with concrete strategy NOT idealism. The reason the “evil” parties are in power is because they have concrete solutions which can be implemented immediately and you have only theory.
The only solution is a social revolution, which is what I advocate for. Of course, I don’t have all the answers, no one does, but I would propose building a worker-led movement similar to the Black Panthers - many people aren’t aware of this, but the Black Panthers actually provided a variety of what they called “survival services”, such as The Free Breakfast For Children program, clothing distribution, classes on politics and economics, free medical clinics, lessons on self-defense and first aid, transportation to upstate prisons for family members of inmates, an emergency-response ambulance program, drug and alcohol rehabilitation, and testing for sickle-cell disease.
We also need to form a solid structure of industrial unions and workers co-operatives, so that we can provide goods and services to the working class without the need for the state’s currency or hierarchical structure. Once we have unionized enough industries, we will no longer need the state, and it can be allowed to atrophy and die. It is likely that the ruling class will not allow this to happen without a fight, so we will also need to defend our new society from them. I’d recommend reading an Anarchist FAQ for more information and joining the IWW, as well as getting involved in activist activities in your area.