yeah democracy can fall but its what I want and willing to go with. Certainly I would love to be able to setup the rules just based on my thinking but unfortunately the only legitimate framework document you can have has to be determined democratically to. You know they should have made a requirement that the populace has to renew the constitution every 20 years.
But don’t you recognize that trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results is just going to get us nowhere? The system is completely broken, it cannot be fixed by using the broken system, we need to take a bold new approach. We can regret mistakes of the past all we want but it changes nothing. We must focus on the future. We need to build a new society in the shell of the old one, and the only way to achieve that is through a social revolution.
we have gotten different results and things have changed greatly. building a new society it great for a hundred years later. Sometimes and sorta rarely. There are many revolutions around the world now and throughout history and only a fraction lead to something decent. You have about as good a chance of being liberated by a foreign power. Fixing systems have an effect now and is much more likely to work. Now yeah it takes more than voting. You can’t just vote twice a year and call it good. You have to push in all ways acceptable to you and excerise your rights or rights you should have.
we have gotten different results and things have changed greatly.
Yes, we have made some progress - especially around social issues, which generally don’t threaten the interests of the ruling class - but economically, things have only worsened over time. The 1% own more and more of everything. I’m glad to hear that you support protest as a form of pushing things in the right direction.
Social revolution isn’t the same thing as what people generally mean by revolution - so you should probably read a little more about that, I provided a link for your convenience in the previous comment. I really think it would open your eyes a lot to learn about anarchism. I really hope you give some of the links I shared a read, you owe it to yourself to learn about how we can achieve a better world together.
Anyways, I think we broadly agree on the important things, and thank you for the civil and engaging conversation. Much love and solidarity, and I wish you all the best.
The 1% have gotten a larger slice of the pie since 1970 but the great depression gave us changes that helped a lot and it can be repeated. The big problem is where it started to go with the policies of the 80’s and a transition from a sorta two steps forward one back to two steps back one forward to what is currently all back and if we get somewhat normalized there will be many backsteps to make up just to get back. I have looked at socialism/communism and anarchy in the past but again im not personally willing to deal with the collapse of a revolution in the hopes of a better future. Well until you get to one of the meanings with freedom which we are close to. Realize though that im a die for rather than kill for type of person so my contribution in a revolution is to die fast and skip that noise. Thanks for making the conversation more solidifying with your gracious comments understanding that there is one opponent in the 1% despite our differences in method of fighting. Honestly its more like 10% but that is because the 9% below the 1% don’t realize how much they are getting screwed and are ready to die because they think their wealth is being drained from the bottom rather than hoovered up by the top.
yeah democracy can fall but its what I want and willing to go with. Certainly I would love to be able to setup the rules just based on my thinking but unfortunately the only legitimate framework document you can have has to be determined democratically to. You know they should have made a requirement that the populace has to renew the constitution every 20 years.
But don’t you recognize that trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results is just going to get us nowhere? The system is completely broken, it cannot be fixed by using the broken system, we need to take a bold new approach. We can regret mistakes of the past all we want but it changes nothing. We must focus on the future. We need to build a new society in the shell of the old one, and the only way to achieve that is through a social revolution.
we have gotten different results and things have changed greatly. building a new society it great for a hundred years later. Sometimes and sorta rarely. There are many revolutions around the world now and throughout history and only a fraction lead to something decent. You have about as good a chance of being liberated by a foreign power. Fixing systems have an effect now and is much more likely to work. Now yeah it takes more than voting. You can’t just vote twice a year and call it good. You have to push in all ways acceptable to you and excerise your rights or rights you should have.
Yes, we have made some progress - especially around social issues, which generally don’t threaten the interests of the ruling class - but economically, things have only worsened over time. The 1% own more and more of everything. I’m glad to hear that you support protest as a form of pushing things in the right direction.
Social revolution isn’t the same thing as what people generally mean by revolution - so you should probably read a little more about that, I provided a link for your convenience in the previous comment. I really think it would open your eyes a lot to learn about anarchism. I really hope you give some of the links I shared a read, you owe it to yourself to learn about how we can achieve a better world together.
Anyways, I think we broadly agree on the important things, and thank you for the civil and engaging conversation. Much love and solidarity, and I wish you all the best.
The 1% have gotten a larger slice of the pie since 1970 but the great depression gave us changes that helped a lot and it can be repeated. The big problem is where it started to go with the policies of the 80’s and a transition from a sorta two steps forward one back to two steps back one forward to what is currently all back and if we get somewhat normalized there will be many backsteps to make up just to get back. I have looked at socialism/communism and anarchy in the past but again im not personally willing to deal with the collapse of a revolution in the hopes of a better future. Well until you get to one of the meanings with freedom which we are close to. Realize though that im a die for rather than kill for type of person so my contribution in a revolution is to die fast and skip that noise. Thanks for making the conversation more solidifying with your gracious comments understanding that there is one opponent in the 1% despite our differences in method of fighting. Honestly its more like 10% but that is because the 9% below the 1% don’t realize how much they are getting screwed and are ready to die because they think their wealth is being drained from the bottom rather than hoovered up by the top.
Please, check that link I sent about social revolution - it doesn’t mean what you think it means!