I agree, not for the same zionist sympathesizing reason you do, but because I fucking HATE the trope of brushing off what humans are capable of doing and painting this artificially idealized picture of what humans are “supposed” to be.
You don’t get to say those people aren’t humans to absolve yourself. You don’t get to pick and choose which people you consider “human” to make yourself feel less guilty about being human. You have everything in common with them, as do I. “Oh those people committing unspeakable atrocities weren’t acting with humanity!” Shut the FUCK up. If anything, committing unspeakable atrocities against other humans is the most human thing possible. Humans suck. And the sooner we realize that the sooner we can actually start working to meaningfully move past our species’ horrific legacy beyond useless lip service.
Which “human right” did you promote? Not getting dunked on in a meme community isn’t a human right. Literally no one here is doing anything to anyone other than insult literal fucking genocidal settlers, which they have every right to.
Also, I said zionist sympathizer. You sympathized with zionists. Would you have tone policed Polish people calling the Nazis inhuman monsters in the 1940s as well?
The meme implies anyone not standing with Palestine isn’t human.
Which I’m speaking up against. Even the worst people are humans, and all humans deserve human rights.
That’s kind of the point of them.
And that has nothing to do with my opinion on Israel or Palestine.
You know this is a throwaway meme post right? It’s a low effort dunk on objectively horrible people and nothing else. I’m genuinely wondering if this might be a cultural/language misinterpretation, but it’s worth noting that hyperbole and taking talking points to their extremes is a pretty common trope in English meme culture. No one means it literally. No one is actually saying they’re taxonomically not human. No one is saying they don’t deserve human rights. What rights did you think we want to take away from them?
Got references you can point to? Most of the threads I read specifically want them to face justice for their crimes. Which is part of human rights. Getting the death penalty after being found guilty of participating in literal genocide is more than fair and doesn’t violate human rights.
Also, people say hyperbolic shit when they’re angry. And this war has understandably made a lot of people extremely angry. Not defending them if they really are calling for taking away human rights, but those people won’t be the actual ones deciding or even influencing what happens to anyone after the war so your tone policing is not doing much to help.
In this thread 3 separate users are in favor of war crimes on civilians and genocide, while the fourth argues against it by limiting themselves to favor extrajudicial killing, within a single conversation. It doesn’t sound very hyperbolic. https://lemmy.world/post/44949285
And that’s just what fit in the screenshot.
I concede that there are some problematic takes in that thread, but they also don’t seem to me like actionable threats or anything that could conceivably incite real world acts. I just see people who are angry at the current events venting their anger with little prior thinking through of the full implications. Not defending that, but… actually I tried to opine further but I feel I’m not knowledgable enough to talk about this, I personally wouldn’t make those comments so I haven’t really thought about justifying nor condemning people who do.
I agree, not for the same zionist sympathesizing reason you do, but because I fucking HATE the trope of brushing off what humans are capable of doing and painting this artificially idealized picture of what humans are “supposed” to be.
You don’t get to say those people aren’t humans to absolve yourself. You don’t get to pick and choose which people you consider “human” to make yourself feel less guilty about being human. You have everything in common with them, as do I. “Oh those people committing unspeakable atrocities weren’t acting with humanity!” Shut the FUCK up. If anything, committing unspeakable atrocities against other humans is the most human thing possible. Humans suck. And the sooner we realize that the sooner we can actually start working to meaningfully move past our species’ horrific legacy beyond useless lip service.
I mean I’m not surprised, this has become normal on lemmy.
I’m still offended, though.
Which “human right” did you promote? Not getting dunked on in a meme community isn’t a human right. Literally no one here is doing anything to anyone other than insult literal fucking genocidal settlers, which they have every right to.
Also, I said zionist sympathizer. You sympathized with zionists. Would you have tone policed Polish people calling the Nazis inhuman monsters in the 1940s as well?
The meme implies anyone not standing with Palestine isn’t human.
Which I’m speaking up against. Even the worst people are humans, and all humans deserve human rights.
That’s kind of the point of them.
And that has nothing to do with my opinion on Israel or Palestine.
You know this is a throwaway meme post right? It’s a low effort dunk on objectively horrible people and nothing else. I’m genuinely wondering if this might be a cultural/language misinterpretation, but it’s worth noting that hyperbole and taking talking points to their extremes is a pretty common trope in English meme culture. No one means it literally. No one is actually saying they’re taxonomically not human. No one is saying they don’t deserve human rights. What rights did you think we want to take away from them?
Read a few threads on lemmy about this war. There are a lot of people saying that.
Got references you can point to? Most of the threads I read specifically want them to face justice for their crimes. Which is part of human rights. Getting the death penalty after being found guilty of participating in literal genocide is more than fair and doesn’t violate human rights.
Also, people say hyperbolic shit when they’re angry. And this war has understandably made a lot of people extremely angry. Not defending them if they really are calling for taking away human rights, but those people won’t be the actual ones deciding or even influencing what happens to anyone after the war so your tone policing is not doing much to help.
In this thread 3 separate users are in favor of war crimes on civilians and genocide, while the fourth argues against it by limiting themselves to favor extrajudicial killing, within a single conversation. It doesn’t sound very hyperbolic.
https://lemmy.world/post/44949285
And that’s just what fit in the screenshot.
I concede that there are some problematic takes in that thread, but they also don’t seem to me like actionable threats or anything that could conceivably incite real world acts. I just see people who are angry at the current events venting their anger with little prior thinking through of the full implications. Not defending that, but… actually I tried to opine further but I feel I’m not knowledgable enough to talk about this, I personally wouldn’t make those comments so I haven’t really thought about justifying nor condemning people who do.