The utter fucking nerve of these assholes.
I’m not even a christian anymore, Catholic or otherwise. In fact I’ve long since gone full on athiest.
But even I’M offended by this new level of horseshit by the Trump clown-show.
I am with you. I don’t believe in what the Pope stands for but also recognize that he is not only the head of state of a foreign government, but the mouthpiece of a significant part of human tradition. This really is like the “fake news” arguments from Trump’s first campaign, i.e., “I don’t agree with what they say so I will attack them personally.”
Look, they already decided they knew science better than scientists, they knew war better than military generals, they knew economy better than economists.
Why did aynone think they would stop at theology?
Beefing with the pope should definitely have been on my bingo card for this administration, I feel stupid for not seeing it coming now.
Everybody knows you never do a full retard.
Vance went full retard.
JD literally woke up one morning and decided to debate theology with the fucking Vicar of Christ.
INNNNN THIS CORNER, wearing all white and a skull cap, he’s the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the SUCCESSOR to the Price of the Apostles, iiiiiiiIIIITS POPE LEO THE FOURTEENTH!!
And in THIS CORNER, wearing a tailored suit and red tie, Couch fucker, white trash cosplayer and world’s worst negotiator, John Dilbert Vaaaaaaance!
This would be fantastic. We can even honor Leo’s Chicago roots by playing Alan Parsons Project during his intro.
LMAO - also is his name really John Dilbert?
Had to look it up myself
James David Vance (born James Donald Bowman
Looks like he had him a gender-affirming name change.
Sometimes I think that if there was an anti-Christ, they wouldn’t be aware that they were the anti-Christ. If that’s the case, JD Vance would be the perfect candidate.
Is James Donald Bowman threatening this current pope? After killing the last one?
Can’t wait for the hillbilly eulogy
World needs more Father Ted
Shut up, Vance.
Jerkface Douche Vance, God is never on the side of those that wield the sword, IE the aggressor. That would be the US and Israel in Iran, you fucking moron.
Hey, I know we’re dunking on Vance, but you should really try reading the Bible before making that claim. What you find might surprise you.
Point taken. I’m not a religious guy and I’m sure there’s plenty of old testament scripture that supports smiting the non-believers (which christophiles always point to as to why muslims are so gosh-darn violent), but Jesus was a lot more on the side of promoting peace than war, which was kind of the point the pope was trying to make. I don’t believe any of it, but Vance claims to, and it is clear to me he just doesn’t understand what he claims to believe.
That was really my only point and I guess I wasn’t really very clear about it
Do not think I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, not a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.
- JC, Matthew 10:34-36
Right? If you can’t find something in the bible to support whatever it is that you’re doing, you probably just haven’t looked hard enough. And you can also just start quoting from the 2000 years of ‘religious scholars’ if you really need to get something going.
Isn’t the Pope supposed to be the guy for Catholics, appointed to directly hear God’s voice on Earth, and spread it to the masses? And if that’s the case, aren’t all these faux-Christians disagreeing with him - like Vance - disagreeing with the very God they purport to worship?
Literally any Catholic who criticizes the Pope is a hypocrite because the Pope is meant to be God’s representative/mouthpiece on Earth.
The man converted to catholicism then within a few years was beefing with two popes in a row on basic catholicism.
The American Catholic leadership are hardcore conservative, with a few exceptions, and working at cross purposes with Christ’s mission on earth.
In my experience American catholics in general tend to be the ones who vote hard right, while saying “I think politics is tearing us apart” and “oh, I don’t discuss politics” “I’m not racist, but…”. They want the same thing the far righ wants they just don’t want to get their hands dirty.
Catholics can disagree with the pope on secular matters, the problem here is that the pope is quoting the catechism almost verbatim, and convert-boy is throwing a tantrum because he joined the church based on aesthetics and not any kind of conviction.
A bunch of Protestants think the Pope is the Antichrist, but apparently Vance identifies as Catholic, so yeah, he’s defying God. Catholic doctrine also holds that the Pope is infallible when ruling on theology.
The latter is not universal. Several popes have explicitly stated that they are indeed fallible (which would render total infallibility self-contradictory). Also, infallibility is generally limited in certain ways that I won’t bother researching in enough depth to put into a concise description. But the pope can’t just make up some random shit and have it automatically considered to be the word of God.
Of course, pointing out that someone violates the basic tenets of Catholicism while naming those specific tenets is well within “the pope is right” territory.
Pretty sure the infallibility part is only when he speaks “ex cathedra” which is a pretty narrow and specific time, but I’m not a Catholic.
A quick Google says the last time that was done was in 1950.
And that’s why francis had to clarify that he wasn’t speaking infallibly when he said he hoped hell was empty
I appreciate the nuanced info. It’s pretty tough to find when discussing religion on platforms like this. It helps logical people trapped by corrupted religious beliefs realize that its okay, even encouraged, to keep their core beliefs intact while still being able to condemn those within their religion that work to corrupt the church.
If all you see is church/religion bad, then they’ll just dismiss you and move on. And the corrupt version of Christianity or Islam or Judaism or what have you will continue growing
The old pope died of cringe when he met Vance so I’d consider this a threat.
Yeah Leo is 18 years younger than Franky was when Vance visited. He’ll probably be fine.
Jelly Donut Vance, the master of reverse reasoning.
“Whatever makes sense”
Ya, where is the serim about love thy chesterfield?
Oh yes, world renowned theologian James David Vance foremost expert on theol…wait theology is when you fuck couches right?
i thought his name was jance dance vance
Last Chance to Jance Dance (Perhaps)
What’s wrong Jance Dance? You barely janked the jouch?
Don’t you think he got enough of that in high school
Eta: I love that only a small number of people got the original reference or response
That isn’t his birth name, it’s his third name so far.
No.
He didn’t change his name to Vance until after high school, so probably not.
from now on, it is 🤣
Just Dance* Vance, actually
I wish he would just dance and keep his mouth shut.
*Bowman.
