That’s actually incorrect, the lowest estimate for defensive gun use (by Harvard Phillip Cook using NCVS data, whoops), only counting verifiable police reports and completely discounting defensive display, the most common form of DGU) is 100,000/yr, while gun deaths including accidents, homicides, and suicides, are ~60,000/ yr. That’s still a difference of 40,000.
Also good to keep in mind, only 45% of Americans even own a gun, and only somewhere around 20% carry it ever, and even less carry everywhere every day. Combine that with many mass shootings taking place in schools which federally ban firearms or businesses which often have “no weapons” signs on the door (which depending on the state can actually be legally binding), with all of that the chances of there being a “good guy with a gun” in the first place are still pretty slim. If he’s a “good guy” even if he brought it he likely left it in the car in accordance with the law and posted signage on the mall (or whatever), and it can’t do any good there.
My mistake, it wasn’t Harvard, it was Phillip Cook using the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) Data. It’s only been 8yr since I read the article, please forgive my indiscretions. In my defense Harvard is also mentioned.
Needless to say I disagree with the disqualification of defensive display categorically, but understand why it would be done for official estimates (though that would mean the official would be purposefully low, by the nature if many of them not having police reports or being one’s word against another even if they exist there’s no real reliable way to collect those statistics, so I think it’s best to leave them out.) Mostly I think it should just be kept in mind that the official estimate is based off of incomplete data and is low, lest we end up with ridiculous estimates like 3,000,000.
And yet still, Harvard the NCVS data* (whoops lol) estimates defensive gun use as 40k higher than gun deaths, and that’s with less than 20% of Americans carrying daily. To say it’s so rare it’s a myth is to say all gun death (60k), gun homicide (12k), accidental gun injuries (~1,500) and deaths (~500), are also myths due to rarity. And also the OG Black Lotus card at 1,100 printed.
The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though.
Is still indeed not true, regardless of if I misremembered just who said that one detail from 8y ago.
I mean you can disagree with the accredited crime researcher and the NCVS data he used (it is a move I guess) all you want, but I’ve posted the source where I got my claims, so “unsourced” is verifiably false, it’s right there.
More water = more people drown, it’s not any more difficult than that, ban water.
Good luck with that. The anti2a groups want those in the same category so that it pumps up the numbers. When 2/3rds (66+%) of your statistic of gun violence is based upon suicide. It’s not as catchy to use.
That’s actually incorrect, the lowest estimate for defensive gun use (by
HarvardPhillip Cook using NCVS data, whoops), only counting verifiable police reports and completely discounting defensive display, the most common form of DGU) is 100,000/yr, while gun deaths including accidents, homicides, and suicides, are ~60,000/ yr. That’s still a difference of 40,000.Also good to keep in mind, only 45% of Americans even own a gun, and only somewhere around 20% carry it ever, and even less carry everywhere every day. Combine that with many mass shootings taking place in schools which federally ban firearms or businesses which often have “no weapons” signs on the door (which depending on the state can actually be legally binding), with all of that the chances of there being a “good guy with a gun” in the first place are still pretty slim. If he’s a “good guy” even if he brought it he likely left it in the car in accordance with the law and posted signage on the mall (or whatever), and it can’t do any good there.
That’s total bullshit.
Here’s what Harvard actually has to say about guns and it is 100% the opposite of what you’ve described.
https://hsph.harvard.edu/research/injury-control/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/
My mistake, it wasn’t Harvard, it was Phillip Cook using the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) Data. It’s only been 8yr since I read the article, please forgive my indiscretions. In my defense Harvard is also mentioned.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense
Needless to say I disagree with the disqualification of defensive display categorically, but understand why it would be done for official estimates (though that would mean the official would be purposefully low, by the nature if many of them not having police reports or being one’s word against another even if they exist there’s no real reliable way to collect those statistics, so I think it’s best to leave them out.) Mostly I think it should just be kept in mind that the official estimate is based off of incomplete data and is low, lest we end up with ridiculous estimates like 3,000,000.
And yet still,
Harvardthe NCVS data* (whoops lol) estimates defensive gun use as 40k higher than gun deaths, and that’s with less than 20% of Americans carrying daily. To say it’s so rare it’s a myth is to say all gun death (60k), gun homicide (12k), accidental gun injuries (~1,500) and deaths (~500), are also myths due to rarity. And also the OG Black Lotus card at 1,100 printed.Is still indeed not true, regardless of if I misremembered just who said that one detail from 8y ago.
Again, your unsourced bullshit is not an actual summation of verifiable data.
It’s just right-wing talking points, dude, with the veneer of pseudoscience.
More guns = more people die from guns. It’s not any more difficult than that.
I mean you can disagree with the accredited crime researcher and the NCVS data he used (it is a move I guess) all you want, but I’ve posted the source where I got my claims, so “unsourced” is verifiably false, it’s right there.
More water = more people drown, it’s not any more difficult than that, ban water.
You can keep posting right-wing jerkoff fantasy as much as you want. Doesn’t change the fact that the guy got his science wrong.
Gun deaths are on average 40k not 60k. We’ve never even hit 50k a year.
Rest what you said is true.
r/dgu subreddit collects all the known good guy with a gun articles as well.
can we please move gun suicides to their own category
Good luck with that. The anti2a groups want those in the same category so that it pumps up the numbers. When 2/3rds (66+%) of your statistic of gun violence is based upon suicide. It’s not as catchy to use.
truth
and gun violence in schools stands fine on it’s own
anyone seeing those numbers should be disgusted enough