I look forward to hearing how this will fuck you up 20 years down the road. Just bite the bullet, grow a pair, and let that hair go. You’ll thank yourself down the road. Note, that I’m referring to men specifically.
Seriously. My hairline receded when I was 17. Accepting what is is a much better way to live your life. Especially if you’re white and you just don’t want to go bald cause “then you’ll be old”. Everyone gets old. Accepting the balding sooner makes it harder to tell what your age is going forward. Like Patrick Stewart.
Not only that, but maintenance is cheap, easy, and quick. No more waiting around for a haircut, having to go to the barber, or tipping. A razor costs like $0.05 and it takes like 5 minutes to shave. You don’t have to fret about expensive meds or haircare products. It’s really the best. I know how hard and imasculating hair loss can be for a man, but once you clear that hurdle it’s smooth sailing. Plus some women really like the bald look.
People always say this but, even putting aesthetics aside, I’d choose a full head of hair any day.
You talk about the speed of shaving but don’t say you have to do it every day or it looks like shiiiit. I used to go 2-3 months between haircuts and they cost $20+tip
No matter how you slice the pie it’s still way cheaper and easier to shave every other day than it is to deal with a barber. Sure if I didn’t lose my hair I’d want it, but I’m not going to fight genetics and nature. Vanity is pathetic and way more cringe than embracing the inevitable.
It’s definitely cheaper but it being easier is debatable. It takes wayyyy more effort to shave 90 times than to make a stop after work to sit for 20 minutes.
And I made it pretty clear I wasn’t talking about vanity. I just don’t love having to put a sharp blade to my head first thing every morning for it to not look like a crackhead.
In black communities, hair care is community building. By going bald, you lose or limit access to the community created in the barber’s chair. White people don’t have this, so losing your hair is just about vanity, not a loss or reduction of identity.
I don’t know. I have a great relationship with my barber. I don’t think that our relationship is less meaningful just because the color of our skin.
I also do not believe that people in general, no matter the color of their skin, go only to barbers of their same skin color. Not all the world live in 1960s USA.
Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.
Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.
Yeah, and that shows your level of ignorance here. Cosmetology and barber schools don’t teach about black hair types and difficulties. White is default in these places and black hair care is considered a “specialty” skill. A black person can’t just walk into any barbershop. Well, they could but it’s unlikely anyone knows how to help them.
I have to be done here, but this is definitely a blind spot for you. Maybe look into it?
You still do not explain why white people’s relationships with their barbers are less meaningful just because the color of their skin.
Also I don’t get why a person with white skin could not go to a barber who has black skin, which would know how to cut white hair because as you said it’s the default, and build a great friendship and community there.
Where I live most white people go to PoC barbershops because most barbershops are own by PoC overall.
Black people and white people are allowed to be friends and to go to each others business now.
Sure white people can go to any barber and be sure they have been trained in straight hair but that is not the point. White people with extremely curly or frizzy hair are also poorly served by society.
So people of African descent have a skill gap to contend with, on top of prejudice to negotiate, and hair becomes a political thing where community needs to close ranks.
Why is it a more meaningful relationship than for non-blacks? Tradition on top of comfort and security, and a layer of “insider knowledge.”
Getting huffy about it is pretty cringy, though, and I wish you were more open to learning.
And I’m 100 percent going to concede that’s a political thing and a community thing. It’s true, it’s a logical statement. That for some black people their hair saloon have a particular relevance that’s unique to them.
But I still say:
It’s not a race thing. As it’s not universal along black people all over the world. Black people from many countries, that still suffer a fuck ton of racisms, doesn’t have that cultural context.
It’s not the primarily reason black people feel bad about losing their hair. First, because loosing your hair doesn’t mean you stop going to the barber. You are still going to get shaved. Second, because most black people feel bad about loosing their hair for the same vanity reasons as white people. Because they make them look a way they don’t want to look like.
This discussion started not by saying “black people can feel bad about losing their hair because this community thing”… no… it started by saying “white people cannot feel bad loosing their hair if it’s because they look old”. While you may have provided some reasons on why a black person could have an additional reason to feel bad for going bald nothing has been said about the thousands of different races and identities that are neither black or white. The original argument was a criticism towards white people, they you trid to shift the discussion towards a excuse on why black people are allowed to feel bad for balding. Let’s forget about black people. Tell me about asians, tell me about latin-americans, tell me about romanies. When they said that “white people it’s not justified to feel bad” they should have provided arguments on why specifically white people cannot feel bad for it. Instead of providing a (bad) argument on why one of the thousands ethnicities that exist on earth may have an excuse to feel bad about balding.
I do not concede that the community bonding that white people form with their hair saloons is less important that the bonding form by black people. It may not be a political bonding, it may not be a bond that has roots on racisms. But it’s still a bond, and humans are hurt when bonds are broken. A bond being political or root on racism is not “more important” than a bond created for other reasons. If they separate you from people you love or a place you belong is going to hurt all the same.
At some point it’s just fucking sad that’s actually pretty universal and bonding between races, as is it “going bald makes you feel like shit” has been tried to be transformed into “this particular race cannot share this feeling because fuck them apparently”.
Brother. As a white person, if you need a haircut you can go to any salon. Your hair isn’t under constant scrutiny. Your default hairstyle isn’t treated as something dirty or wrong. You don’t experience othering or ostracization because of your hair.
You, as an individual, can choose to have your hair be a connection to community. That can be a beautiful thing and losing that might be devastating to you, as an individual. A black person is thrust into community because of their hair because of systemic oppression. It’s a struggle that brings everyone in that community together. You can’t separate one from the other. Every black man who loses his hair loses this integral connection he has to his community.
White people’s connection to community through their hair is a choice, black people’s connection to community through their hair is a survival tactic. That’s why they’re fundamentally different. You can choose, they have no choice but to do so.
We are not going to agree on this. So have a great day. It has been nice to read your point of view on the matter, and there are some things that I haven’t considered before. Still do not personally agree but that’s ok.
Minodixil has already shown dangerous side effects, or so I read somewhere (but IIRC it was a reputable source, I just don’t have a link to prove it, sorry).
Oh yeah no its just that between me being better off without em, and the horrific gender dysphoria I felt from a receding hairline make that shit laughable.
I def think buzzing is the right answer for a lotta dudes.
I look forward to hearing how this will fuck you up 20 years down the road. Just bite the bullet, grow a pair, and let that hair go. You’ll thank yourself down the road. Note, that I’m referring to men specifically.
It’s harder for us girls. I’ve got a hat with a wig sewn in so I have that going for me which is nice.
Seriously. My hairline receded when I was 17. Accepting what is is a much better way to live your life. Especially if you’re white and you just don’t want to go bald cause “then you’ll be old”. Everyone gets old. Accepting the balding sooner makes it harder to tell what your age is going forward. Like Patrick Stewart.
Not only that, but maintenance is cheap, easy, and quick. No more waiting around for a haircut, having to go to the barber, or tipping. A razor costs like $0.05 and it takes like 5 minutes to shave. You don’t have to fret about expensive meds or haircare products. It’s really the best. I know how hard and imasculating hair loss can be for a man, but once you clear that hurdle it’s smooth sailing. Plus some women really like the bald look.
People always say this but, even putting aesthetics aside, I’d choose a full head of hair any day.
You talk about the speed of shaving but don’t say you have to do it every day or it looks like shiiiit. I used to go 2-3 months between haircuts and they cost $20+tip
No matter how you slice the pie it’s still way cheaper and easier to shave every other day than it is to deal with a barber. Sure if I didn’t lose my hair I’d want it, but I’m not going to fight genetics and nature. Vanity is pathetic and way more cringe than embracing the inevitable.
My partner cuts my hair so it’s free. B)
It’s definitely cheaper but it being easier is debatable. It takes wayyyy more effort to shave 90 times than to make a stop after work to sit for 20 minutes.
And I made it pretty clear I wasn’t talking about vanity. I just don’t love having to put a sharp blade to my head first thing every morning for it to not look like a crackhead.
I don’t get why being white matters here.
In black communities, hair care is community building. By going bald, you lose or limit access to the community created in the barber’s chair. White people don’t have this, so losing your hair is just about vanity, not a loss or reduction of identity.
I don’t know. I have a great relationship with my barber. I don’t think that our relationship is less meaningful just because the color of our skin.
I also do not believe that people in general, no matter the color of their skin, go only to barbers of their same skin color. Not all the world live in 1960s USA. Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.
Yeah, and that shows your level of ignorance here. Cosmetology and barber schools don’t teach about black hair types and difficulties. White is default in these places and black hair care is considered a “specialty” skill. A black person can’t just walk into any barbershop. Well, they could but it’s unlikely anyone knows how to help them.
I have to be done here, but this is definitely a blind spot for you. Maybe look into it?
“No true Scot” found in the urban centres.
Did I use the “No True Scotsman” fallacy? I’m not seeing it
Lots to unpack here.
You still do not explain why white people’s relationships with their barbers are less meaningful just because the color of their skin.
Also I don’t get why a person with white skin could not go to a barber who has black skin, which would know how to cut white hair because as you said it’s the default, and build a great friendship and community there.
Where I live most white people go to PoC barbershops because most barbershops are own by PoC overall.
Black people and white people are allowed to be friends and to go to each others business now.
Sure white people can go to any barber and be sure they have been trained in straight hair but that is not the point. White people with extremely curly or frizzy hair are also poorly served by society.
So people of African descent have a skill gap to contend with, on top of prejudice to negotiate, and hair becomes a political thing where community needs to close ranks.
Why is it a more meaningful relationship than for non-blacks? Tradition on top of comfort and security, and a layer of “insider knowledge.”
Getting huffy about it is pretty cringy, though, and I wish you were more open to learning.
And I’m 100 percent going to concede that’s a political thing and a community thing. It’s true, it’s a logical statement. That for some black people their hair saloon have a particular relevance that’s unique to them.
But I still say:
It’s not a race thing. As it’s not universal along black people all over the world. Black people from many countries, that still suffer a fuck ton of racisms, doesn’t have that cultural context. It’s not the primarily reason black people feel bad about losing their hair. First, because loosing your hair doesn’t mean you stop going to the barber. You are still going to get shaved. Second, because most black people feel bad about loosing their hair for the same vanity reasons as white people. Because they make them look a way they don’t want to look like. This discussion started not by saying “black people can feel bad about losing their hair because this community thing”… no… it started by saying “white people cannot feel bad loosing their hair if it’s because they look old”. While you may have provided some reasons on why a black person could have an additional reason to feel bad for going bald nothing has been said about the thousands of different races and identities that are neither black or white. The original argument was a criticism towards white people, they you trid to shift the discussion towards a excuse on why black people are allowed to feel bad for balding. Let’s forget about black people. Tell me about asians, tell me about latin-americans, tell me about romanies. When they said that “white people it’s not justified to feel bad” they should have provided arguments on why specifically white people cannot feel bad for it. Instead of providing a (bad) argument on why one of the thousands ethnicities that exist on earth may have an excuse to feel bad about balding.
I do not concede that the community bonding that white people form with their hair saloons is less important that the bonding form by black people. It may not be a political bonding, it may not be a bond that has roots on racisms. But it’s still a bond, and humans are hurt when bonds are broken. A bond being political or root on racism is not “more important” than a bond created for other reasons. If they separate you from people you love or a place you belong is going to hurt all the same.
At some point it’s just fucking sad that’s actually pretty universal and bonding between races, as is it “going bald makes you feel like shit” has been tried to be transformed into “this particular race cannot share this feeling because fuck them apparently”.
Brother. As a white person, if you need a haircut you can go to any salon. Your hair isn’t under constant scrutiny. Your default hairstyle isn’t treated as something dirty or wrong. You don’t experience othering or ostracization because of your hair.
You, as an individual, can choose to have your hair be a connection to community. That can be a beautiful thing and losing that might be devastating to you, as an individual. A black person is thrust into community because of their hair because of systemic oppression. It’s a struggle that brings everyone in that community together. You can’t separate one from the other. Every black man who loses his hair loses this integral connection he has to his community.
White people’s connection to community through their hair is a choice, black people’s connection to community through their hair is a survival tactic. That’s why they’re fundamentally different. You can choose, they have no choice but to do so.
Sorry, I simply not buy that.
We are not going to agree on this. So have a great day. It has been nice to read your point of view on the matter, and there are some things that I haven’t considered before. Still do not personally agree but that’s ok.
Sipowicz is my hero.
Minodixil has already shown dangerous side effects, or so I read somewhere (but IIRC it was a reputable source, I just don’t have a link to prove it, sorry).
No need to wait that long. Hair loss drugs fuck with your androgens and can cause depression
What if I’m already bald and struggle with depression?
Stick to the shampoo version. Finasteride is the really notorious one though
chases daily fin pill with the double daily 2.5mg of sublingual estradoil
Andro-who-now?
Seriously though, some of us are glad to see em go lol.
Fair but that is a small minority of people
Oh yeah no its just that between me being better off without em, and the horrific gender dysphoria I felt from a receding hairline make that shit laughable.
I def think buzzing is the right answer for a lotta dudes.
No, I like my hair.
There are some people that look good bald. I am not one of them.