• michaelalf@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with “Visit the USA!” and “America the Beautiful” ads. I live in Australia… Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?

    It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the “illegals” they’re deporting. Maybe I’m just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh… makes me feel gross.

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      9 days ago

      Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.

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        9 days ago

        Eh, if we manage to get our shit together I encourage everyone to visit our national parks. It’s not safe now or for the foreseeable future, but if it is in the future, they really are something to behold.

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          8 days ago

          Here’s the great thing, nature is something to behold in most parts of the planet. We don’t need to travel across oceans to be wowed by it, we have our own. Sod going to the USA ever again.

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      8 days ago

      What you’re seeing, unironically, is a century long conspiracy from billionaires to put the entire North American continent and northern South America under a single fascist state called “The Technate of America”.

      I shit you not.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement?wprov=sfla1

      Even Elon Musk’s grandpa was in on this. And now their dependents are trying (through the MAGA movement) make it happen.

      Why is Trump obsessed with annexing Greenland? Why did he invade Venezuela and kidnap Maduro? Why is he starving Cuba and threatening war? Why is he demanding Canada be annexed by America?

      This is why. Billionaires are cashing in on their century long investment of colonizing a world power and establishing themselves as the leaders of the world. It sounds moronic and like a conspiracy theory, but its real, and these people are dumb enough to try it.

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      9 days ago

      youtube accounts should be authenticated to a human being in an organisation and those details be public to save democracy

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        9 days ago

        No. Education should be better funded. I’ll give social media platforms my ID when hell freezes over.

        Be very, very careful in advocating for that.

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    10 days ago

    The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.

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      9 days ago

      They absolutely fucking are doing that. There may be other parties involved, take your pick. Everything surrounding this is basically a Brexit-style psyop.

      Alberta has fossil fuels and minerals. America wants them. Simple as that.

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    9 days ago

    Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.

    1. it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
    2. it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
    3. Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
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      I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.

      But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.

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        And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.

        It’s not wrong there’s just an evil financial incentive to keep literacy at a certain level.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    9 days ago

    Hey, just tossing this out there, but rather than have you guys join America, can we join Canada? Just the nice folks, I promise, we don’t want the MAGAs either.

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    10 days ago

    Canada should absolutely annex and de-nazify the USA, I’m glad someone is pushing that agenda

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      9 days ago

      American here! Yes please! Start with Cleveland! I live in Cleveland, and I live right on the lake. I’m like a jetski ride away from Canada! We’re practically family!

      Plus…and this is the important part…GET ME OUT OF THIS HELLHOLE OF A COUNTRY!!!

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        9 days ago

        I’m kinda surprised nobody has done the opposite of what’s on the OP.

        I figure there would be quite a few USAians who wouldn’t mind to secede to Canada.

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          9 days ago

          My sense, as a Canadian, is that Canadians generally don’t like this idea. We wish the best for you guys down there and hope you manage to figure things out, but we don’t really want to get involved

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    Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.

    US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.

    Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but “real states” will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.

    While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole “protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don’t have those industries” is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.

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      7 days ago

      You do realize Canada’s debt is higher than USA, right?

      EDIT: Always worthwhile getting downvoted but no evidence to the contrary. Typical.

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      Why would Putin be behind this when Trump has openly talked about annexing Canada and has just recently met with Alberta separatists??

      I swear, Westerners will use any excuse to blame China/Russia. There could be an American pedophile procuring children for American politicians and they would still blame Russia. Oh wait… they actually fucking did. Wake up and smell the shit from your own political class.

      The West breaks itself by being imperialist warmongers. Some slop Youtube videos ain’t gonna do shit.

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          From what we know right now, Russia being behind this is just conspiracy theory. A bad conspiracy theory because it doesn’t make any sense:

          Let’s say you want to make your geopolitical rival weaker. It makes sense to promote California separatism because they would lose a state that massively contributes to its economy (this is assuming that the news is accurate and not just US propaganda). It doesn’t make any sense to promote Alberta separatism and give your enemy an extra free state, because that makes it stronger.

          This is exactly what the US does when funding Radio Free Asia: it promotes separatist movements in China.

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    So you realise that if the US does go to war with Canada, that would mean that NATO would go to war with the United States, Which means that they’ll probably lose all their bases in Europe.

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      It’s more likely mealy mouthed Europeans would declare the end of NATO, let Canada fend more or less for itself, and donate thoughts and prayers in abundance. Too bad Canada isn’t part of the EU! With its defense article it will rise from B team to prime time.

      Yes, the US would lose a lot if its bases in Europe, though probably (and sadly) not all. But this sort of obvious strategic rake to step on hasn’t halted the epic blunder in Iran. Why should it stop stable genius here?

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        Nah, it’s quite likely in the current climate that the EU would join in the defence of Canada.

        If the USA actually starts an intra-NATO war and doesn’t just talk nonsense, everyone in the EU knows we are next. So better do a nice clean proxy war on another continent than to let it spill over to the EU once Canada is down.

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      YOU don’t watch it. But I’ve watched in real time while videos like this appear on relative’s feeds while they doomscroll as they uncritically absorb everything that appears. Sometimes watching the same video two or five times because the damn app loops. And when I point out “you know that’s bullshit right?” The response is always some variation of: “I wasn’t paying attention to what it said I was just watching.” But they are absorbing it because days or weeks later they will parrot that same BS at me in a conversation.

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        Okay, fair enough. But do you think something like this would convince someone not already committed to secession? I can see how it would be appealing to support a narrative someone already has, but do you think it actually convinces people to change their mind on the issue?

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          On its own in a vacuum, no. But that’s why propaganda is seeded across multiple sources over extended periods in places people are half checked out in mentally. It’s the same reason advertising works. That one advert won’t get you, but if you hear a jingle, see a commercial, a billboard, an ad, an endorsement, a logo at your favorite team’s sports park… Ever wonder why your favorite softdrink is your favorite softdrink?

          These propagandistic channels only need to plant the seeds of an idea, regularly feed it, wait until people are convinced the idea is their own, then wait for a counter pushback. That’s when the propaganda really takes root. Just like with Q or flat earthers, they will dig in to defend themselves from anyone challenging them. Logic need not apply. Push back only makes their conviction stronger.

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            I agree with all that. I haven’t been paying too much attention. Has separatist feeling been increasing? My feeling (based on nothing) was that it was static around 20%.

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              Speratism has been increasing everywhere on the right and the left. Rather that’s an intentional divide and control strategy or people organically getting sick of the systems around them - whose to say. I used to say nothing will come of it but then I watched the UK take themselves right out of the EU and found out Cambridge Analytica had a heavy hand in it.

              Also 20% is a big number. That’s one in five people. Every fifth person. That’s a LOT. You only need 3.5% of the population to make a nonviolent policy change, 10% for a revolution against Great Britain. Even if that number stays at 20% my worry is some entity will organize that angry mass towards a goal.

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                I agree, 20% is a lot. That’s why the issues raised by the separatist side need to be addressed, and not just dismissed. Justin Trudeau wouldn’t give Alberta the time of day. Hopefully, Carney will be better.