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      Seems the CPU has become the bully these days:

      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      Keyboard: E
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?
      CPU: hey keyboard do you have anything for me?

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        My grandpa always used to say that computers used to be way better before they became electrical.

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          Ah, yes the good ol days of punch cards, switch boards, mechanical operators and electron tubes, when will the youngins learn that their fancy transistors are for pussies

          Personally I inscribe all of my code into binary on a fired clay tablet and store it in a cave for archival purposes

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      Modern USB keyboards need to be asked what’s being pressed by the CPU multiple times a second, but old PS/2 keyboards will actually interrupt the CPU to send the key press command

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        Why e in this context? I have seen sei() and cli() before, but not E.

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          That’s the very important information you got from the keyboard.

          Some context may come later, but it will take ages.

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            Thanks, apparently I can’t read. I somehow missed the top right yellow speech bubble.

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    What I’d like to know is:

    1. Do modern systems - say within the past 10 years - still operate in this way when a PS/2 keyboard is plugged in (yes, some motherboards still do have PS/2 ports, bizarrely)? Or have modern CPU architectures, microcode, and updates to the x86 instruction set removed it?

    2. Does it still work this way when you plug a USB keyboard into a PS/2 port via an adapter (I’d imagine yes, but I don’t actually know)

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      PS/2 still works the same as it always has. No changes there. It’s not really possible to change how PS/2 operates because it wouldn’t be backwards compatible with old keyboards or software.

      Legacy stuff sticks around for a while and generally doesn’t change, since it needs to retain backwards compatibility. Modern x86 processors also still have a “real mode” with 1MB RAM max, like what the 286 versions of DOS and Windows 3.0 used to use.

      You can buy industrial PCs and motherboards today that not only have a PS/2 port, but also other legacy stuff like parallel and serial ports, ISA slots, etc. There’s actually motherboards that have ISA, PCI, and PCIe all on the same board. There’s 25+ year old machinery that’s still in use and extremely expensive to replace, so it’s not uncommon to have new computers with legacy connectors/ports in industrial environments.

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        Enthusiast motherboards still have the ps/2 ports as well. Usually because the usb controller is the first thing to stop working when the bclk gets too high or you’re going sub 0 cooling.

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          PS/2 keyboards are more likely to support n-key rollover, too (USB is maximum 6-key rollover by default).

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          Apparently some enthusiasts still use PS/2 keyboards because they have slightly faster response times / lower latency, and better support for n-key rollover.

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          Recently did OSDEV on my machine running an ryzen 5 series. I was rolling my own bootloader and I still had to enable the A20 Line

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      We still kinda do, just depends on the kernel you’re using. On Windows any IRQL > 2 is pretty much instant like the bird