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he ran it in the wrong order 💔✌️
Plus he couldbhave just used ‘apt’ one command.
It’s clear why many Windows users won’t switch to Linux, when people show them they’d need to use strange IT tools to use it. While, annoying, Windows doesnt need you to be an IT nerd. Linux doesn’t either, but to people outside of the Linux bubble, this is how it gets presented. That Windows update sure looks easier than some manual hack.
pacman “See you”
It’s the other way around, but yes, very much yes
I have no artistic skills so freebie: Arch is like Russian roulette where the odds are good but there is still a non-zero chance some update is going to shit the bed. I don’t even know how to convey that in meme form either.
You’ve heard of archinstall, now get ready for
archupdate
(it’s an alias I made for “pacman -Syu”)
Order wrong.
they need to make
apt get upgratethat does both in the right order…You are in luck because you can make this an alias (custom command) in your .bashrc file:
alias update='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
I prefer Sudo Nala upgrade. It pulls updates before upgrading and does parallel downloads, saturating my 2GB download.
The user interface on the left and the command prompt on the right does kinda highlight a barrier to mass Linux adoption.
if we want more people on Linux let’s normalize not having to use the command line for everything.
That is not the barrier. Most people stick to defaults and don’t know how to install an OS. When any person switches, they will try to learn an adapt. If it is a shitty experience, they will switch back to defaults. Updating your system through command line is not a shitty experience.
Some of the gen zers I come across can’t even double click an icon on PC.
There’s no reason not to have an update button somewhere.
Absolutely but it is not easy. It needs to have several layers of abstraction by hiding what packages are being updated and auto approving themselves without prompting for password. There should be an automatic rollback mechanism in place in case an update goes bad. Some programs will need to auto-update themselves as users would expect like google chrome, firefox — which I don’t think we currently have other than steam. Otherwise if a person skips an update, they will leave their system vulnerable to the security bugs in browsers.
That is not the barrier.
who said there is only one barrier?
they will try to learn an[d] adapt
you will, sure, but no not everyone will. think less on tech savvy people and more on those that know that “the Internet is the big blue e when I turn on the computer (their monitor)”
those people outnumber us tech savvy individuals at least two-to-one and they deserve an OS that is easier to use then memorizing command line commands
Only tech savvy people will actually install an OS. Unless you put a “Install OS” button on the keyboard most people will never switch. So they will probably never use Linux because the idea of switching defaults is scary because it is not “officially supported” by the manufacturer. Using the terminal is not a big deal. Most people can learn and adapt very easily, it’s not rocket science. The official defaults mindset is a barrier.
If we want Linux to grow, we need it to be installed by default on major hardware.
deserve an OS that is easier to use
Mint, Zorin, Ubuntu. They exist and have existed for a long time. They simply are not the default OS on any major piece of hardware.
The left side says “Updates are happening, whether you want to or not” and the right side says “'Give me some updates, please”
agreed, but this does not address what I said
As someone who works on Windows daily… this is so true. One of the things that really annoys me with Windows is being able to reliably do updates. Running any of the update stuff, seems more like a suggestion and if Windows deems your request worthy, it might SLOWLY do something.
I autorun paru -Syyu while my computer is in the process of booting up /S
In Windows it would be
winget upgrade -all
I’m pretty sure.
Install-Module PSWindowsUpdate
That will install the module required for Windows Update command line
Still doesnt update the system
Winget update --all
But yes, this updates any packages distributed by Ms store and winget repos. As an IT professional, I love winget.
My first introduction to winget as a sysadmin was horrible. Why Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make winget reliant on the user environment still baffles me. Why on earth would they require admin rights for some commands if you need to have logged into the system once?! Even the user created for LAPS does not have that requirement!
Even getting it to run through a service on system level requires you to find the nondescript directory of the executable (which may or may not he the same on other devices!) To get basic functionality going. But even with the --ignore-unknown flag (because it is not able to determine the version of packages when run through a service) winget will refuse to update without a user environment.
Winget is a step in the right direction… but man it is SO SLOW. If PowerBI Desktop has an update, it is actually taking me 20+ minutes to update a handful of apps.
I just like that it can be scripted and run during off hours.
Which will try to update all 3 apps that are available via winget. It will break one of them. It has 50% chance of bonking some drivers.
More than 3 apps. https://winget.run/
But Window’s software incompatibility doesn’t change anything.
4315 packages
It’s not nothing, and the effort is commendable. Def more than three. Dare I say it’s even more than five.
Yet, in a grand scheme of things, it’s indistinguishable from three.If NT is given as much time as the Linux kernel has had to mature then I’m sure they’ll have more packages built for it over the years.
What does this even mean? Windows as an operating system has existed since 1985, and NT has been around since 1993. Linux initial release was 1991.
Microsoft has had all the time in the world.
If people use it then eventually it’ll have more than 4k packages for it.
Didn’t know we were still doing apt-get
I have a lot to learn
iirc, apt-get is the version to use in scripts. They keep the input & output consistent so that it won’t break things.
Regular old apt is for humans to use at the command prompt, and that’s what I use all the time.
How is apt better for humans?
Less options and it expects user input, so when you update and there’s a changelog or warning, it shows it to you and you can read it. It doesn’t continue because it thinks you’re there reading it. The options and output are subject to change, so you don’t want it in a script. Apt-get will always have the same options and expected output for automation purposes.
Apart from letting you read the changelog, I would call it less of a “good for humans” but “bad for scripting”. Maybe it’s just me, but less options was never a good quality in my books
Yeah why do I still see this everywhere
haven’t used linux in decades but used to use aptitude over apt-get
KDE Plasma recommends applying updates at reboot like Windows for stability. In fact, that is how it does them by default
KDE Plasma does what I tell it to
Sure, what I’m saying is the “windows way” of applying updates isn’t bad and there’s a reason why they do it
Except that stability isn’t the reason windows does its updates on restart, its a software limitation.
Windows doesn’t have the ability to edit running files, it quite literally can’t update the system without shutting everything down.
Bah!!
Feels aggressive sometimes
It can be configured but out of the boxes users need to have updates forced on them. Otherwise they never update.
And what he’s saying is it’s his life. It’s now or never. No one’s gonna live forever. He just wants to live while he’s alive. It’s. His. Life!
jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
Someone who gets it 🥲
Wait, plasma does your system updates? I don’t think it’s an appropriate chain of commands
Discover is integrated with the rest of Plasma, so if you run your upgrades via Discover on Plasma, it’ll use Plasma settings. The same goes if you update with the little button in Plasma’s taskbar
Update first, then upgrade
Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.
sudo pacman -Syuyaywhich yay yay: aliased to paru
Is it even
apt-getstill? thought they changed over toaptlong ago andapt-getis just a symlink for legacy reasons.At least that’s what I last read… (speaking as someone also loving candy) .
apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).
aptis meant more for user interaction andapt-getis more stable and more for scripting. Butapt-getis often used in online tutorials because it doesn’t really change.I think it wasn’t for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.
I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.
I gave up.
A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn’t handle it well.
It’s insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.
paru
It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s
