Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone’s basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn’t be a problem. They aren’t exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises.
That’s an “if” big enough to drive a train through.
There has never been a classless society where everyone’s basic needs are met. So, pretending that that’s the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you’re pretty desperate.
Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It’s not the starting point, it’s after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step.
Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you’re suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it’s OK to have a for-profit business.
And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn’t been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn’t have a lot of examples of farms and factories.
There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I’m not a professor, I’m not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away.
And which of them thought that communism without capitalism allowed someone to run a for-profit business?
Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone’s basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn’t be a problem. They aren’t exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises.
That’s an “if” big enough to drive a train through.
There has never been a classless society where everyone’s basic needs are met. So, pretending that that’s the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you’re pretty desperate.
Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It’s not the starting point, it’s after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step.
Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you’re suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it’s OK to have a for-profit business.
What about in the real world?
And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn’t been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn’t have a lot of examples of farms and factories.
There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I’m not a professor, I’m not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away.