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- Most Americans want manufacturing to come back to America.
- Most Americans do not want to work at a factory.
These facts don’t conflict. Americans want automation. The problem has always been who gets most of its benefit.
well currently it’s employing a whole bunch of us Canadians
so yeah. the robots are coming for yer jahbs. but only after US companies came to Canada to get the machines designed and built.
but don’t worry, we’re not winning here either. those same US companies own plants in Canada that are also automating away Canadian jobs, but without the solace that the company is still at least Canadian.
also, assembly line work sucks. I’d go crazy doing the same thing every forty five seconds for ten hours straight five days a week.
imo people need to consume less overall. slow the economy but focus it into more local and productive stuff. even though that sort of thing vastly hurts my industry.
Many Americans are fine working in a factory they just dont wanna work in american factory conditions with low pay, long hours, and shite management
- Most Americans do not want to work at a factory.
What kind of nonsense is that? Look at the insane number of people busting their asses at meat grinders like Amazon warehouses and tell that they wouldn’t give that shit up in heartbeat for a union manufacturing job.
Fortune is not as bad as many other “news” organizations, but they do shill pretty hard for the corporate overlord. So, Fortune claiming that Americans don’t want to work is on par with Santa Magazine saying that kids love to sit on the laps of smelly old men so much that they will line up for it.
Of course Americans don’t want to work in hellish conditions for no benefits, no job security, and slave wages. Also, most college kids don’t want to work in a factory, the whole point of college is to pull themselves up out of the blue color job market. So if you wanted to write a piece that explains how it isn’t the corporations fault for offshoring jobs, it’s actually American workers themselves who don’t want to work then ya, depending on where and how you ask, you will definitely get a large number of people saying no thanks.
The simple answer is the workers should reap them.
Fucking immigrants. Am I right?
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It is a little surreal how old school robotic automation, which has been going on since the 60’s, seems to be lumped in with AI these days like it’s some kind of new wave of industrial revolution.
Efforts to automate more US factories come as companies in East Asia have already charged ahead in establishing multiple “dark factory” sites—facilities featuring near-complete automation with a small human staff to provide oversight and troubleshooting.
AI is accelerating automation, to the point where you can automate all processes that don’t require human involvement. This is why China is currently ahead of the US. They have been strategic and pragmatic in their use of AI instead of focusing solely on achieving AGI.
The US is catching up to China. This means that Trump’s “dream” of bringing plants back to the U.S. to create jobs for Americans will not be realized because they will simply build these “dark factories.”
You are so wrong I dont have simple words to describe it.
I’m a controls engineer who literally installs automation systems. AI is mostly useless in our industry, Claude barely scratches the surface of what we do. The coding is somewhat simple. The problem is how difficult the physical interaction is.
Having worked with Chinese controls people, they arent any better than the US engineers often they are significantly worse. No idea why. The guys from Mexico are way better from my experience.
the Mexicans have their shit together. they’re always great to work with, and they’re competent. best factory I’ve ever been in was in Mexico. place was spotless.
I’m not talking about Claude, I’m talking about the different machine learnings algorithms, not talking about LLMs. AI just became an umbrella term for all these different types and machine learning algorithms.
No way the US is catching up to China. They are far ahead in everything except weapons and war.
And even with war, I kept hearing something like, “China may have the manpower and even the firepower, but they haven’t fought a war in decades. The US has plenty of experience,” but experience in what? Losing in the Middle East?
A losing fight is still a teacher. Still, I don’t think the current DoD can put down its hubris and adjust for modern war seen in Iran or Ukraine.
I was hearing about dark sites about a decade ago. Wonder why it took so long. Probably because we don’t want to starve too many blue collar families at once.
Yeah that’s… probably not why.
Afaik we owe the invention of PLCs, the basis for modern industrial automation, to car manufacturing plants.
Yes, at GM no less, along with the robotic arm also first used at GM.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964
Farmhands warn of tractor automation as dark farmland future looms.
Only a few. Nearly every farmer is facing a problem of There just aren’t enough for the hands to hire. Farming is generally very seasonal you work very hard for long hours during harvest, but that’s only two or three weeks a year. Planting season again, you work very hard for a couple weeks, but the new it’s done and you just wait for things to grow. It’s not just waiting, You occasionally have to get out to weed and monitor the conditions, but there’s many weeks where there’s little to do and no need for a farmhand.
Many farmers have a second job of some sort that they work between farming tasks.
immigration restrictions also hurt because people who are poor and would take anything and be happy with work for those few weeks can’t get in. In the poorest countries, you can easily have a nice living only working a few weeks a year in the US.
Used to it was really easy for farm workers to migrate back forth across the southern boarder of the US. Reagan changed the rules so that it was harder for Mexicans workers to go back and forth to Mexico. This is because they wanted to be able to exploit their labor year round and by criminalizing immigration they allowed workers to be locked up for further exploitation with even less pay because slavery is legal in prison
It’s quite interesting that even 160 years after slavery became illegal in the US, it’s still practised and now supports the prison industrial complex. Populated primarily with people who wouldve been slaves pre-civil war. Convenient. Racism is alive and well.
US continues its slavery problem just in a different way. Sick bastards.
It’s wild the way that American workers are still plagued by the legacy of slavery. Healthcare being tied to employment, our inability to protest without losing our jobs, at will employment. Nearly every disparity between other first world nation workers and american workers are caused by the legacy of slavery
