“Women on base, you better be careful. Port calls, women in Asia, you better be careful. Because these guys are going to be wild animals and you better watch out.”

  • Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    While I am not going to disagree about your conclusion, I am going to say that lumping this psychopathic rapist in with the average straight man is just about as inaccurate as claiming that he is an average American, or average human.

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      It takes only a small amount of risk to make an activity a bad choice. If 5% of people who walk through a neighborhood are mugged, anyone with a choice will avoid walking in that neighborhood, even though an overwhelming majority of 95% would be fine.

      The calculation around dating is similar. If there is a 3% chance going somewhere private with a guy would result in nonconsensual sexual activity, it’s not worth doing. Not fair for the 97% or whatever of guys who have normal behavior boundaries, but life isn’t fair.

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        3 hours ago

        this is literally the kind of logic used by racist companies to deny minorities work

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          And differences in average upper body strength between men and women are used to deny women work in jobs that involve lifting things. It can be done in a misogynist way like a blanket ban, or it can be done in a more knowledge-seeking way like requiring a physical therapist to evaluate lifting ability as part of the hiring process and only accepting candidates that can safely lift 50 pounds or whatever. There are structural incentives for the blanket ban in the form of the extra cost, time, and overhead management of the physical therapist evaluation program, but it has benefits of ruling out unusually unfit men who would likely get injured on the job as well as expanding the candidate pool to include unusually fit women.

          I don’t know what the equivalent to a professional evaluation of lifting ability would be to certify someone as SafeToDate.

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        I’m not good at complicated math like addition and subtraction, so when it comes to something like statistics I might as well be throwing pickle slices at a dartboard, so you will probably have to correct me here… But if you have a 3% chance of being attacked by a man, doesn’t that also mean that since you have a 1.5% chance of being attacked by any human? In fact, since there is a non-zero chance of being attacked by a woman, wouldn’t it be accurate to say that you have a greater than 1.5% chance of being attacked by any human?
        I’m not really sure that greater than 1.5% feels much safer than 3%.
        So I guess what I am saying is that while you and the OP I originally responded to are both correct, that once we start throwing monsters in the pool then people’s desire to go for a swim doesn’t change significantly just because we double the size of the pool.

        Actually, what I am really saying is that I just really don’t like any grouping that lumps me in with the pedophilic psychopathic rapists currently running the US.

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          Hey. Just a question. Say there’s a woman and she goes on a theoretical date. She gets tipsy sfter being plied with drinks and allows herself to be convinced to go back to a guy’s apartment. He insists “just to hang out” during that time he coerces her into some kind of act. Could be sex entirely or maybe sex without protection… When she sobers up she starts freaking the fuck out because under sober circumstances she would never of said yes to that.

          You tell this story to a bunch of people and what’s the generalized perception of what went wrong? She should never have gone back to his apartment. She should have known better. She participated in a risky behavior and while everyone probably agrees the guy in the situation is absolute scum it remains - this outcome was horrible but culturally predictable.

          Also your assessment of whether that three percent is an even split is forgetting a lot of other data. Across the board your chance of encountering any kind of violence is 4-8x more likely to be perpetrated by a man rather than a woman. 1 in 5 women have experienced rape and that number jumps up to 1 in 3 when you broaden the term to sexual assault. About 90% of those reported sexual assaults are perpetrated by men. That means if you are a woman between 20% to 60% of all the other women you know statistically speaking have been sexually predated on by a man at some point and that’s just the ones we know are reported because a lot of people cope with sexual assault by never speaking of it to anyone.

          That’s no lightning strike. That poster lowballed you significantly on those statistics .

          Women are taught to interact with men the same way you are instructed to interact with city traffic and they aren’t nessisarily wrong to do so. Remember, that 1 in 5 or 1 in 3 is still happening in a world where women are instructed to minimize risk by altering their behaviour. This is under circumstances where women are educated of those dangers and treat men as risks which means they have mitigated some of the attempts. Don’t leave your drink, don’t enter a car of a man you aren’t 100% aware of, meet perspective dates or those you aren’t sure of in public, Don’t be alone where others can’t hear you, Don’t go out after dark, when someone warns you about an individual take that seriously, here’s the code you can tell your bartender to eacape an attempt, let your friends and parents know where you are and are gunna be, here’s the weapons to out in your purse, here’s the red flags to look out for…and they still are 1 in 5 and 1 in 3.

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          But if you have a 3% chance of being attacked by a man, doesn’t that also mean that since you have a 1.5% chance of being attacked by any human?

          That’s not how statistics work, at all.

          Men are far more likely to rape or assault women than women are to assault men.

          Keep in mind another aspect is that your average man is bigger and stronger than your average women as well.

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      Na bro theyre 100% correct, at least here in America, us straight men are a fucking catastrophe. And yes im much better than the average one because i don’t condone rape culture, but im part of the minority here.