cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/32973475
His group spent nearly $1 million on ads opposing Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Donald Trump’s pick to lead the nation’s health agencies. He’s delivering speeches urging the president to stand with longstanding foreign allies and lobbying members of Congress while aides write letters and opinion columns.
This weekend, he posted an article he penned more than a decade ago on the limits of presidential power after Trump claimed that, “He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
Mike Pence is emerging as one of the last Republicans in Washington willing to publicly criticize the new administration.
It’s an especially jarring role for the former vice president, whose refusal to break with Trump defined their time together in office until the two had a falling out over Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election and his efforts to remain in power.
had a falling out
Boy that’s the most sanewashed way saying ‘whipped up a mob that wanted to hang him’ I think I’ve ever seen. Kudos, I guess?
It was a mild disagreement related to vertebra and the application of rope.
Well he did try to murder him
The crowd was literally chanting “hang Mike Pence”. Kudos to him for not going along with Trumps plan of overthrowing the election.
Yet still I can’t help but wonder whether he was secretly hoping for Trump to lose the 3rd election and the Republican party returning to its old ways somehow. Why? Because he’s been suspiciously silent ever since when he had the cachet and moral standing to be one of his greatest detractors (from the Republican side).
Remember how Mike Pence was the reason why everyone was scared in 2016? Some reckoned he was worse than Trump
Sure, but I feel like he deserves props for refusing to go along with Jan 6 knowing full well Trump was okay with him being lynched by his mob. One of the scarier aspects to me was him refusing to get in the car with the secret service, presumably because he was scared of where Trump’s secret service were going to take him.
Edit: I forgot to make it clear. He’s an awful human being with awful evil beliefs, but at least it seems like he’s not a fascist, just a christo-nationalist. :l
He’s an awful human being with awful evil beliefs, but at least it seems like he’s not a fascist, just a christo-nationalist.
The limbo bar is on the floor. The bar to beat isn’t “Person who wants the best version of this country to exist, and sells his base on his vision of that”
The bar to beat is now “Still an awful human who intends to enforce policies that will actively harm millions of Americans…but NOT a fascist!”
A Christian nationalist is no better than a Nazi. If your beliefs don’t leave room for other people to live, you can never be on the ‘right’ side.
Only because he wasn’t a fucking moron, which means he could do a lot more focused damage- and I think we all at least half expected Trump to die in his term and hand it off to him.
He’s just mad now that the Fascist Express left without him.
The difference is that Pence truly believed in the lies Trump was pushing in his first term, and would have done anything he could to make them a reality. For Trump, they were just something you said to get people like Pence to support you while you needed them.
Honestly he deserves to just be left alone and almost forgotten. Him and his family were the target of both sides after 2020.
Was part off an snl skit.
Oh fuck off. No more redemption stories. No one should fall for this shit. Especially from a low charisma shit head like Mike pence.
Just want to say Fuck Mike Pence. He has no room to say shit and again fuck this guy.
Mike Pence should suck a dildo while wearing baby diapers an minding his “Mother”
I imagine she likes it rough
Isnt this Trump 3.0?
Pence made that bed - he needs to lie in it now.
There is almost a zero chance Trump will run in 2028. He is old and that would be his third term. JD Vance is really the successor.
JD Vance is a charisma vacuum who is just plain weird. No chance the Republicans run him.
i heard he tried to have sex with a sofa or something
JD Vance fucked a couch, not a sofa.
I see! Thank you for clarifying. Poor couch 😓
Sofa king, a couch?
I think Trump going after birthright citizenship is him paving the way for Musk to run officially
We will see in 4 years
If he’s alive, he’ll run. I know it’s unconstitutional. But he’ll still run with some bs excuse for why he’s still eligible.
He’ll say he rightfully won in 2020 so this will be payback for that. And by 2028 everyone who disagrees with him publicly will be disappeared so his argument will be accepted. Personally I think he dies before the end of this term.
There is almost a zero chance Trump will run in 2028. He is old and that would be his third term.
Prior to FDR, there was a convention – but no legal restriction – that Presidents would only serve two terms. This stemmed from some statement that Washington made – he was getting really old, not far from dying and didn’t really want to be President in the first place, but got repeatedly argued into it, as he was one figure that had widespread support across the country.
FDR broke that convention, served three-and-some terms and died in office.
After that, Republicans passed the Twenty-second Amendment prohibiting Presidents from serving more than two terms.
Today, you can only do two full terms. If you succeed an existing president – like, you’re Vice President and the President dies in office, you can do part of that, can’t recall what portion is permissible. So Trump is out after this term.
pokes around
Yeah, can be any partial amount of their term, isn’t like “over 50% of their term” counts as a term.
Honestly with all the stuff going on right now with laws and the constitution being violated on the federal level the real question is who would enforce that he can’t run again? Sure some blue states might take him off the ballot but he probably wasn’t going to win those ones anyways. He has both the supreme Court and Congress on his side right now and if he still has that in four years I could easily see him running again with no one to really stop him.
the constitution being violated on the federal level
What ways do you feel that the Consitution is being violated on the federal level that the courts have disregarded?
Sure the courts are doing a good job at pushing back for now but all it will take is some of these cases going to the supreme court for that to change. Both Trump and Vance have already openly said that they shouldn’t have to follow judges’ orders and seem to be building a case for openly defying the judiciary that’s justified in the eyes of their supporters. And this is all within the first month of him being in office, it’s only gonna get worse from here and by the time the next election comes around who knows what the situation will look like but I can easily see a future where he runs for election again and no one is left to stop him other than attempts by blue states.
Nobody went to prison for stealing classified documents and selling them. Nobody went to prison for accepting foreign bribes to a political campaign. Nobody went to prison for extorting Ukraine for campaign funds.
…I could go on all day, the list of federal crimes Trump has committed is truly endless.
So it wouldn’t even be unconstitutional if someone kept running for vice president and have the presidents resign immediately after being sworn in?
