They are not soldiers. They do not kill each other.
They shout at each other on camera. Their animosity is probably exaggerated. At least one commentator brought up meeting him in person, in a debate, as a reason his death affected them more. Soldiers rarely meet opposing soldiers in such good terms as even the spiciest debate.
There is a reason propaganda needs to dehumanize and otherize the “enemy”.
I’ve noticed that half the media freakout is mid-level political commentators coming to terms with the idea that they can also be victims.
The fact that a lot of left commentators are realizing this along with the rightoids is a little disturbing because where have they been in the last several decades of escalating right-wing violence?
“left commentators” they are almost all resistance grifters, more than being with the actual left. resistance grifters has an interest in keeping the “debate” culture war going as much as the right winger grifters are, more views more money for them. much like people jeff tiedrich, jojo, BTC(bryan tyler cohen)
I think that there is a lot of fuck around and find out going on now.
Over the past several decades people have been increasingly willing to speak their mind In public forums. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing except the people who are speaking the loudest are the ones who are the craziest, racist etc. I think by allowing these people to exist we are normalizing them. And by doing so they start to think that their opinions are OK, and that they won’t get in trouble for sharing them.
Hopefully, if we must have guns in the hands of every American, these right wing nuts continue to get what’s coming to them.
he was set to debate Charlie before he got a new hole on his neck just in a couple weeks. if the shooter waited a little while Hasan could have literally been a couple meters away from him during the shooting. even putting aside the possibility of being the target himself, he could just catch a stray bullet one day because the US is just generally an insanely violent, backwards-ass country. why would he want this to be a normal thing
He should just not say anything on the matter. If he can’t publicly celebrate the removal of trash, then he should remain silent. Calling this a tragedy is saying his behavior is acceptable, and people have the right to poison the world as such.
Actually I think his reaction is the most reflective of the situation. Yea, Kirk was a stochastic propagandist and a sociopath, but him getting killed doesnt materially improve anything while making the situation far more dangerous for everyone involved.
The most I feel comfortable saying is that Kirk fucked around and found out - but I certainly wouldn’t celebrate the situation this now puts us in.
If you’re going to engage in adventurism, at least make sure your target is worthy of your sacrifice. Kirk was a loud nobody and his death has gained us close to nothing.
They aren’t gonna get better sweetie. Not without our lifetime. This is the part where people read about in the future and think “wow they didn’t even know how fucked they were, and they did nothing to stop it”
I’m speaking directly as compared to him not being assassinated, friend. The harm he would have gone on to do is outshadowed by the harm that will now be done as retribution for his death.
There was always going to be violent conflict between the fascists and anti-fascists, but believe it or not he was a moderating voice in the reactionary space. Without him, the overton window shifts even further right, with voices like Shapiro becoming comparatively centrist and falling out of favor by those motivated by Kirk’s death. It’s a reason why the shooter potentially being a Groyper is both liberating and damning to leftists - it means that we can’t as easily be blamed for the escalation (we will still, though), but it also serves as a reminder that there are more violent voices still who are driving a wedge into the center of the republican party to drive them further into Nazism.
Better to target the productive capacities of the right, rather than the beneficiaries of the right’s sugar daddies (like Kirk).
I disagree. I don’t think they are actually going to DO anything. It wasn’t a lefty. People know that. It won’t gain popular support among the MAGAs. Meanwhile, as long as it’s right-on-right, who cares.
Honestly fuck all these talking heads, why do people listen to this crap anyways, form your own opinions and use the time to do something else productive like take a nap. You’re 100% right.
Hasan is a wimpy baby who makes money on the existence of the right wing. He is to scared to rejoice in a good thing.
Why would he celebrate the assassination of a political commentator when he holds the same exact job title
Why would a soldier want an enemy soldier to get killed when they have the same job title
They are not soldiers. They do not kill each other.
They shout at each other on camera. Their animosity is probably exaggerated. At least one commentator brought up meeting him in person, in a debate, as a reason his death affected them more. Soldiers rarely meet opposing soldiers in such good terms as even the spiciest debate.
There is a reason propaganda needs to dehumanize and otherize the “enemy”.
Fascists are my other, thanks.
Human rights are a social contract and they specifically and deliberately opt out of it.
How old are you?
Grow up, lol
I mean, they aren’t the brightest people.
I’ve noticed that half the media freakout is mid-level political commentators coming to terms with the idea that they can also be victims.
The fact that a lot of left commentators are realizing this along with the rightoids is a little disturbing because where have they been in the last several decades of escalating right-wing violence?
“left commentators” they are almost all resistance grifters, more than being with the actual left. resistance grifters has an interest in keeping the “debate” culture war going as much as the right winger grifters are, more views more money for them. much like people jeff tiedrich, jojo, BTC(bryan tyler cohen)
I think that there is a lot of fuck around and find out going on now.
Over the past several decades people have been increasingly willing to speak their mind In public forums. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing except the people who are speaking the loudest are the ones who are the craziest, racist etc. I think by allowing these people to exist we are normalizing them. And by doing so they start to think that their opinions are OK, and that they won’t get in trouble for sharing them.
Hopefully, if we must have guns in the hands of every American, these right wing nuts continue to get what’s coming to them.
he was set to debate Charlie before he got a new hole on his neck just in a couple weeks. if the shooter waited a little while Hasan could have literally been a couple meters away from him during the shooting. even putting aside the possibility of being the target himself, he could just catch a stray bullet one day because the US is just generally an insanely violent, backwards-ass country. why would he want this to be a normal thing
He should just not say anything on the matter. If he can’t publicly celebrate the removal of trash, then he should remain silent. Calling this a tragedy is saying his behavior is acceptable, and people have the right to poison the world as such.
Actually I think his reaction is the most reflective of the situation. Yea, Kirk was a stochastic propagandist and a sociopath, but him getting killed doesnt materially improve anything while making the situation far more dangerous for everyone involved.
The most I feel comfortable saying is that Kirk fucked around and found out - but I certainly wouldn’t celebrate the situation this now puts us in.
If you’re going to engage in adventurism, at least make sure your target is worthy of your sacrifice. Kirk was a loud nobody and his death has gained us close to nothing.
Hard disagree. Kirk was a successful mouthpiece for the extreme right wing. He targeted the youth. He knows he was programming them.
Frankly, I just don’t think you are aware of what all he did—which explains your ignorant dismissiveness.
Kirk’s death is a godsend. It is THE road we need to be on.
Agree to disagree, then.
I’m well aware of kirk’s influence, but if anything those in his base have just been galvanized, many more have likely been driven into extremism.
Things will get worse from here before they get better.
They aren’t gonna get better sweetie. Not without our lifetime. This is the part where people read about in the future and think “wow they didn’t even know how fucked they were, and they did nothing to stop it”
I’m speaking directly as compared to him not being assassinated, friend. The harm he would have gone on to do is outshadowed by the harm that will now be done as retribution for his death.
There was always going to be violent conflict between the fascists and anti-fascists, but believe it or not he was a moderating voice in the reactionary space. Without him, the overton window shifts even further right, with voices like Shapiro becoming comparatively centrist and falling out of favor by those motivated by Kirk’s death. It’s a reason why the shooter potentially being a Groyper is both liberating and damning to leftists - it means that we can’t as easily be blamed for the escalation (we will still, though), but it also serves as a reminder that there are more violent voices still who are driving a wedge into the center of the republican party to drive them further into Nazism.
Better to target the productive capacities of the right, rather than the beneficiaries of the right’s sugar daddies (like Kirk).
I disagree. I don’t think they are actually going to DO anything. It wasn’t a lefty. People know that. It won’t gain popular support among the MAGAs. Meanwhile, as long as it’s right-on-right, who cares.
no it isn’t
Yes it is 🤷♂️
i mean you’re wrong but ok
Honestly fuck all these talking heads, why do people listen to this crap anyways, form your own opinions and use the time to do something else productive like take a nap. You’re 100% right.