Based on what? The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is? Comments like yours are specifically why the leftist movement is doomed to failure. It’s a shame, since most the ideas are good, just too many self-righteous assholes are the vocal face of it.
The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is?
Getting strong Know-Nothing vibes of this whole thread. No real ideological thesis or central position. Just a bunch of hollow “I’m a free thinker because I hate you” reactionary slop.
Reminds me of the old joke about the conservative being whatever the opposite of a liberal is, updated daily.
I’m very purposely trying to keep my opinions about policy points out of it, because that’s not what I was ever taking issue with, and it would only serve to completely derail the conversation.
All I’ve ever been taking issue with is the discourse itself. The US has a two party system, which is inherently going to encourage a very “us vs them” mentality. When people immediately jump to name calling, ridicule, and general verbal abuse at the first hint of disagreement, it’s only making things worse.
Wordy and self-aggrandizing but basically yeah, you even admit the ideas are good and that the only reason you pretend otherwise is because you don’t like the people telling you them, get the fuck over yourself and start being correct about things
Can you even read? I said the left has an attitude problem, just like the right does. That says absolutely fuck-all about how I feel about the actual ideas behind leftism.
So I say the leftist community has an issue with how they keep attacking everyone who doesn’t seem to agree with everything they say, and your only response has been name-calling. Yet somehow that makes me a toddler? Whatever. Enjoy being angry.
I view libertarianism similarly to how I view communism (the actual philosophies not the co-opted bullshit Libertarianism or the red scare version of communism); they are systems that seem like they could work if you somehow got everyone on the same page, but I don’t believe that they are robust enough to withstand the people who would exploit the system.
I feel like half the problem with politics right now is that everyone feels like they have to pick a label to call themselves. So they pick whichever is closest to what they believe at the time, then (consciously or unconsciously) mold themselves to conform with that chosen group. Suddenly, everyone who disagrees is personally attacking them, since they went and made their political affiliation part of their identity, rather than just a choice they make.
I don’t think politics should be based on belief. Beliefs imply inflexibility. I think we should look to history, find out what worked, and find out why the things that didn’t work failed, and use that to try and come up with ideas that will work in the modern context. And I definitely don’t think we should chain ourselves to ideas that aren’t working, which people seem to have a tendency to do when it’s their beliefs.
bOtH sIdEs
Hey look, someone trying to prove my point.
They’re right, you’re a moron and a coward
Based on what? The fact that I don’t fall over myself to agree with whatever the leftist opinion-du-jour is? Comments like yours are specifically why the leftist movement is doomed to failure. It’s a shame, since most the ideas are good, just too many self-righteous assholes are the vocal face of it.
Getting strong Know-Nothing vibes of this whole thread. No real ideological thesis or central position. Just a bunch of hollow “I’m a free thinker because I hate you” reactionary slop.
Reminds me of the old joke about the conservative being whatever the opposite of a liberal is, updated daily.
I’m very purposely trying to keep my opinions about policy points out of it, because that’s not what I was ever taking issue with, and it would only serve to completely derail the conversation.
All I’ve ever been taking issue with is the discourse itself. The US has a two party system, which is inherently going to encourage a very “us vs them” mentality. When people immediately jump to name calling, ridicule, and general verbal abuse at the first hint of disagreement, it’s only making things worse.
Wordy and self-aggrandizing but basically yeah, you even admit the ideas are good and that the only reason you pretend otherwise is because you don’t like the people telling you them, get the fuck over yourself and start being correct about things
Can you even read? I said the left has an attitude problem, just like the right does. That says absolutely fuck-all about how I feel about the actual ideas behind leftism.
“Attitude problem” translation you’re a fucking toddler
So I say the leftist community has an issue with how they keep attacking everyone who doesn’t seem to agree with everything they say, and your only response has been name-calling. Yet somehow that makes me a toddler? Whatever. Enjoy being angry.
If you’re not angry you’re either stupid or evil
You sound like a Libertarian.
I view libertarianism similarly to how I view communism (the actual philosophies not the co-opted bullshit Libertarianism or the red scare version of communism); they are systems that seem like they could work if you somehow got everyone on the same page, but I don’t believe that they are robust enough to withstand the people who would exploit the system.
I feel like half the problem with politics right now is that everyone feels like they have to pick a label to call themselves. So they pick whichever is closest to what they believe at the time, then (consciously or unconsciously) mold themselves to conform with that chosen group. Suddenly, everyone who disagrees is personally attacking them, since they went and made their political affiliation part of their identity, rather than just a choice they make.
Do you believe in anything?
I don’t think politics should be based on belief. Beliefs imply inflexibility. I think we should look to history, find out what worked, and find out why the things that didn’t work failed, and use that to try and come up with ideas that will work in the modern context. And I definitely don’t think we should chain ourselves to ideas that aren’t working, which people seem to have a tendency to do when it’s their beliefs.
So you’re one of those people whose whole political stance is “we should look into that.” Cool. You don’t have any thoughts? Opinions?