As someone who actually does read the rules for a bunch of places; they often have no relationship to what actually gets enforced.
This isn’t just a problem for social media communities. A bunch of business use boilerplate contracts and terms-of-service that again have no relation to how they actually operate.
Absolutely, and I really, really hate that. Admittedly I’m also autistic, so I probably take rules a bit more serious than many people. But still I am heavily confused by the concept that we live by laws every day which most of us never heard or read about. Especially in Germany, where I live, we have a lot of laws for everything, and 90% of them aren’t really enforced, but it still is theoretically expected of me to abide by them.
Just a strange concept overall.
I had a post about dishwashers (from the Technology Connections guy) removed from the Technology community because it wasn’t “on topic.” I’m sorry if I missed that dishwashers have been around since the Bronze Age.
Mods on Reddit: Make sure you check the “do not post” list to make sure your post is not one of the 3k listed
Dude, I swear I still have PTSD from that shithole lol
Everytime I post a meme I stare at New for almost 10 minutes waiting for it to get removed, before I remember “Oh wait, this is Lemmy”
Seen posts with -50 downvotes that still stay at the top of Hot lol, it’s glorious
Where are you all posting that have such heavy handed mods?
Ikr? I don’t think I’ve had anything removed yet, and it’s not like I’ve been being super nice or anything lol
I doubt it’s lemmy. But I get stuff removed all the time from the various forums I’m on, for random ass reasons. Sometimes it’s language, despite literally everyone saying fuck constantly. I got one removed for bumping an “old thread” which was about 8 weeks old, and still on the front page. Inconsistent enforcement is the most annoying thing.
I’m permabanned on [email protected] because I warned someone “careful, some of the mods on here are snowflakes”
Permaban, same instance, no notification. No recourse.
If someone said: “moderator x is a removed”, guess what? It’s on the same level as that.
Wrong. You’re banned because you called the mods autistic in a way that implies autism is something to be looked down upon, hence using it as a slur. So not only you tried to insult the mods, you were ableistic in doing so.
Also, it was not the firsf time you went against that sub’s rules.
I can’t figure out how to view the modlog on my phone but it’s available isn’t it?
Can anybody link to the modlog for [email protected] please and then we don’t have to rely on “he said, she said”
Thanks CyberEgg!
Friendly reminder that this will keep getting removed here, because mods are autistic and apply rules very strictly. It needs to be published by one of Donnies mates in the main stream media (or his enemies that are threatened) before you can post it
Looks like you’re full of shit, “king”.
I’m permabanned from [email protected] because I got provoked into complaining about the rules in the pinned thread for discussing the rules. I never said I didn’t intend to follow them anyway! Absolute bullshit power-tripping.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It’s pretty easy to switch instances now!
Oh weirdly enough I think I saw somebody replying to your comment! Was it quite recent? The impression they had was that you were banned for ban evasion I think, i.e. that you’d been banned before, then had come back on a new account to call the mods snowflakes.
Not sure tho, don’t quote me, and I don’t honestly care all that much - just saying that might be a reason, rather than what you actually said.
I have one account. This one.
Yes it was recent, and that thread was the last one I saw before replying didn’t work anymore.
I’ve been here for a while, and I think it may be time to say goodbye to this. Federated or not, it’s the same mechanics that made Reddit toxic (minus karma) and the devs are pretty much mini Spezzes, so I doubt it will be that much better in the long run.
In fact poorly modded communities like c/politics will eventually get ignored by more and more and others on piefied and dbzero will grow and then they will get to critical mass until those mods get too crazy.
The core problem these communities and reddits miss is that you have a person coughing up 2~12 hours a week for free to moderate a platform they down own. What is their payment? How are they kept in check? How can users appeal?
And here we have that problem one level up where people call for defederation from certain instances. And there is instance admin abuse.
There are a handful of shitty instances and a handful of mods on popular politics communities that are shitty, but the vast majority of communities are drama free. Politics communities everywhere on the internet end up being drama fests though, with being shitty scaling with popularity.
There’s a lot of whinging and fussing and very online behaviour on Lemmy. I mostly find that when I start getting annoyed by that stuff, it’s time to do something else.
Not who you are replying to, but anyway. I generally find this place a lot better than reddit. Everything you point out is valid, RE: core problem. Moderating is volunteer work, and by nature mods have authority. The real crux as you point out is the lack of ability to appeal a ban. That and lack of ban standardization even amongst mods. Paying mods wouldn’t help really. You can’t ask mods to attend a so you want to be a moderator: a training program for those still in denial about their agoraphobia program.
Because instances admins can ultimately take their ball and go home like you mention. It’s a tricky situation.
That’s more a people problem than a lemmy problem. Anyone can make as many instances as they can afford and as many communities as they like.
I don’t see the comparison between spez and the admins, Lemmy is a much different model from reddit.
For as much as I post, I only had two mod actions against me I felt were disproportionate, which is pretty good considering there is no way for anyone to make 100% good decisions all the time. Otherwise good people can flame out and bad people can still be fair mods.
I didn’t like a couple of the big news coms, so I made my own. Build the things you want to see, because you are the fediverse as long as you’re on it.
Also Terms and Conditions.
Yup.
I remember in late 2003, when I read the legalese bumf that came with Windows XP… very long, and painful, drudgesome, cryptic, hiding “deal with the devil clauses” (they can change the agreement after you agree), and very restrictive.
Then I read the GNU GPL v1, and other Free Software licenses.
Never went back to the abuse of proprietary licensed operating systems.
The freedom, the upfront honesty, the brevity, the simplicity, … I thought for sure “The Year of the GNU+Linux Desktop” was sure to be the next year. … Everybody else reads the terms and conditions… right?
Those arw like the best sites ever: https://www.tldrlegal.com/ https://tosdr.org/en I’il reae the summary and if i really feel like i’il read the whole shit
Idk about y’all but sometimes(actually, rarely, i do it more if i need it) i do read TOS/EULAs, depend how long and how much time i have though.
Most of the TOSes boil down to: “Don’t be a jerk towards us. Don’t be a jerk towards others. We don’t owe you the service. Sue us in California.” I usually skim the TOS to see if there’s something unusual.
As Louis Rossmann says, they have a rapist mentality
This would be a good way to censor or ban anyone. Then when asked for a justification, retroactively, dig through all that and find buried somewhere some small applicable clause.
This is what some not-very-good police do in some places. Arrest someone they don’t like and then dig up some ancient law still on the books that they broke on a technicality. Usually if such a thing goes to court the court strikes it down, if the justice system is remotely functional. But where’s Lemmy’s courts?
Yeah but there’s also no punishment for the cop for wasting the states and victims time. They spent time and money to fight the bullshit, the cop successfully hurt the person and there’s nothing stopping the cop from doing it again.
We have a fun kangaroo court in [email protected]
This is what some not-very-good police do in some places.
All the police do this in all the places.
Even Iceland?
Iceland has been around long enough to have complex and outdated laws that are going to result in it happening even when it isn’t malicious, but also police institutions tend to attract at least some people who will abuse power until they are removed if the overall police structure discourages it.
So I am confident that it has happened unintentionally, but probably intentionally too at least occasionally.
Saturn retrograde is serious
Yep, hopefully it will align with N64 soon.
Somewhat unrelated to the topic, but I wonder how many younger people can recognize book encyclopedias.
TIL that the those legal books are also called encyclopedias. I figured they had some fancy name instead.
