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    Maybe I missed it I don’t see how these unions will be planning to use AI to help them overthrow capital’s power over them.

    I guess these are the limits of reactionary trade unionism of the imperial cores; how much imperialist loot can be shared more equitably.

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      They have a section “NAME THE REAL PROBLEM” but they never say the word capitalism or even corporate greed. Instead they peddle idealistic lines like “Human expertise.”

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        because your coworkers are more likely not leftist and talking about ideological points doesn’t bring them on your side. The workplace is not an internet leftist theory chat.

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          Then it’s your duty* to educate them because it is a science. Can’t be peddling quackery. And if their material conditions means revolutuonary class consciousness is not in their best interests (ie the end of the US imperialism and their ongoing settler-colonial programmes) then spend your time elsewhere.

          *assuming you seeking to betray your class as a westerner. Marxism-leninsm is a science.

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            Not sure what kind of humans you know, but nobody likes for a stranger to get there, push their political opinions, call it science, say it’s for their good, and imply you know fuckshit in the process. It’s fine for edgy debates on the internet, but it doesn’t fly to build relationships in the real world. Especially if on the other side there’s somebody saying “You’re fine as you are, come with me, I will make you rich.”

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              Not sure what kind of humans you know

              Non-westerners

              Westerners are fucking pathetic. You coukd learn from the global south (despite less wealth and harsher conditions of capital) but you choose not to. You could learn the science of capital, imperialism and from that how to build socialism scientifically but you choose not to. Because at the end of the day at most the most “progressive” a lot of you will amount to is to spread that loot of imperialism that more equitably. That is not progressive; that’s just an empire stability modifier.

              https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

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                You’re fetishizing Non-Westeners because the strategy you want to use work there and not here, and instead of changing strategy, you project yourself into a different context. The article is clearly about the Global North, for which what you described has failed over and over. You make politics with the people you have, not with the people you would like to have. Blaming workers for not being receptive to your strategies is delusional.

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                  How are police unions working out for you?You realise Strasserites were shot by the Nazis?

                  what you described has failed over and over

                  Marxism-leninism has been overwhelmingly successful. Stop being so myopic.

                  Blaming workers for not being receptive to your strategies is delusional.

                  Workerism is not socialism. The privilege of the Western worker to dine on the blood of the Global South is not my concern.

                  You make politics with the people you have, not with the people you would like to have.

                  Find better people. Literally genocides amd mass murders happening all over the place.

                  You’re fetishizing Non-Westeners

                  Western exceptionalism at its finest. You are at best the PR wing of fascists. Be a better human being.

                  This can be an oppurtunity for you to learn:

                  • Underdevelopment of Africa by Walter Rodney (to help understand labour aristocracy /bourgoisie proleteriat)
                  • On persuasion: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
                  • if that has changed your mind then we have whole ML reading lists
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                    You live in a world of fantasy. Fascists are taking over the whole of the West. Do something about it and stop larping.

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      software, beyond Excel, doesn’t really help with unionizing in any meaningful way. Why would you think of applying AI would do something?

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        Cyber warfare against the enemy using swarms of AI agents is one strategy I’ve seen levelled as a pro for AI use.

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          Lol actually lemmy instances are starting to get them. For now these agents (if they are indeed actual agents of course) are truthful that they’re an agent in their vetting answers but who knows what it look like soon.

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        At the very minimum you should have better opsec for union busting if your unions are an actual threat. This involves tech in the 21st century.

        AI is socialised labour but the tools have been privatised; the capitalist’s tractor still tills the farm. Organisers should develop frameworks on how to use these tools.

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          For the same reason we don’t use tractors in union organizing, we also don’t use AI.

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            Marxism beat ludditism more than a century ago. Appealing to reaction is not the progressive stance you think it is. One can only afford to be so backwards if the aim is class collaboration ie an understanding that a concession can be made to help stablise the western proleteriat in favour of a more potent imperialism.