I agree, not for the same zionist sympathesizing reason you do, but because I fucking HATE the trope of brushing off what humans are capable of doing and painting this artificially idealized picture of what humans are “supposed” to be.
You don’t get to say those people aren’t humans to absolve yourself. You don’t get to pick and choose which people you consider “human” to make yourself feel less guilty about being human. You have everything in common with them, as do I. “Oh those people committing unspeakable atrocities weren’t acting with humanity!” Shut the FUCK up. If anything, committing unspeakable atrocities against other humans is the most human thing possible. Humans suck. And the sooner we realize that the sooner we can actually start working to meaningfully move past our species’ horrific legacy beyond useless lip service.
Which “human right” did you promote? Not getting dunked on in a meme community isn’t a human right. Literally no one here is doing anything to anyone other than insult literal fucking genocidal settlers, which they have every right to.
Also, I said zionist sympathizer. You sympathized with zionists. Would you have tone policed Polish people calling the Nazis inhuman monsters in the 1940s as well?
The meme implies anyone not standing with Palestine isn’t human.
Which I’m speaking up against. Even the worst people are humans, and all humans deserve human rights.
That’s kind of the point of them.
And that has nothing to do with my opinion on Israel or Palestine.
You know this is a throwaway meme post right? It’s a low effort dunk on objectively horrible people and nothing else. I’m genuinely wondering if this might be a cultural/language misinterpretation, but it’s worth noting that hyperbole and taking talking points to their extremes is a pretty common trope in English meme culture. No one means it literally. No one is actually saying they’re taxonomically not human. No one is saying they don’t deserve human rights. What rights did you think we want to take away from them?
Got references you can point to? Most of the threads I read specifically want them to face justice for their crimes. Which is part of human rights. Getting the death penalty after being found guilty of participating in literal genocide is more than fair and doesn’t violate human rights.
Also, people say hyperbolic shit when they’re angry. And this war has understandably made a lot of people extremely angry. Not defending them if they really are calling for taking away human rights, but those people won’t be the actual ones deciding or even influencing what happens to anyone after the war so your tone policing is not doing much to help.
In this thread 3 separate users are in favor of war crimes on civilians and genocide, while the fourth argues against it by limiting themselves to favor extrajudicial killing, within a single conversation. It doesn’t sound very hyperbolic. https://lemmy.world/post/44949285
And that’s just what fit in the screenshot.
fedditors not beating the zionist allegations in a hundred years edit: they actually can’t see this bc. I got banned for calling out their zionism, so I can just say that I think we should be boiling them alive without starting a slapfight.
Catharsis tbh. I am german and it’s stressful af since I can never know how much of a freak any given person here. feddit.org stands for pretty much everything wrong in this country, especially for what passes here an “left”. Look at the fedditor freakshow in this thread for example: https://lemmy.ml/post/45151394
By using the tactics used by colonizers? The same tactic used by the Nazis against “subhumans”? Is this really the road we want go down again as society?
Do you think that posts on social media are equal to genocide or colonization? It’s obvious to anyone with a working brain that ‘human’ is used to mean ‘humane’ here.
Let’s see what ‘inhuman’ means: “Of or pertaining to lack of compassion and the indifferently cruel, sadistic or barbaric behavior it brings”. Sounds quite apt to describe the behavior of zionists.
When people commit such terrible wrongs, some find it easier to pretend they are not human. They gotta do everything they can to pretend Santa is real. Otherwise the reality of humanity will set in.
dehumanizing nazis is standing with palestine. thank you western wise man! how could a barbarian like me ever understand anything without your guiding and knowledge from the old supreme world.
No, it isn’t standing with Palestine, nor standing against it. It’s simply pointless and a tactical error.
Dehumanizing is a mistake that the Nazis made, leaving them vulnerable to their own propaganda. They expected all their victims to be sneaky, cowardly and inferior, and they paid for that mistake.
Dehumanizing the new wave of fascists leaves us open to the same mistake.
The people committing genocide in Palestine are human, and it’s important for us to stop them by any means necessary, including killing them.
explain to me what sort of dehumanizing took place here? a joke about nazisraelites lacking the basics of human emotion and compassion? it’s not us who dehumanize them, it’s themselves who do it in a process of segregated alienation
Dehumanizing others is never OK, even when they’re also doing it.
I agree, not for the same zionist sympathesizing reason you do, but because I fucking HATE the trope of brushing off what humans are capable of doing and painting this artificially idealized picture of what humans are “supposed” to be.
You don’t get to say those people aren’t humans to absolve yourself. You don’t get to pick and choose which people you consider “human” to make yourself feel less guilty about being human. You have everything in common with them, as do I. “Oh those people committing unspeakable atrocities weren’t acting with humanity!” Shut the FUCK up. If anything, committing unspeakable atrocities against other humans is the most human thing possible. Humans suck. And the sooner we realize that the sooner we can actually start working to meaningfully move past our species’ horrific legacy beyond useless lip service.
I mean I’m not surprised, this has become normal on lemmy.
I’m still offended, though.
Which “human right” did you promote? Not getting dunked on in a meme community isn’t a human right. Literally no one here is doing anything to anyone other than insult literal fucking genocidal settlers, which they have every right to.
Also, I said zionist sympathizer. You sympathized with zionists. Would you have tone policed Polish people calling the Nazis inhuman monsters in the 1940s as well?
The meme implies anyone not standing with Palestine isn’t human.
Which I’m speaking up against. Even the worst people are humans, and all humans deserve human rights.
That’s kind of the point of them.
And that has nothing to do with my opinion on Israel or Palestine.
You know this is a throwaway meme post right? It’s a low effort dunk on objectively horrible people and nothing else. I’m genuinely wondering if this might be a cultural/language misinterpretation, but it’s worth noting that hyperbole and taking talking points to their extremes is a pretty common trope in English meme culture. No one means it literally. No one is actually saying they’re taxonomically not human. No one is saying they don’t deserve human rights. What rights did you think we want to take away from them?
Read a few threads on lemmy about this war. There are a lot of people saying that.
Got references you can point to? Most of the threads I read specifically want them to face justice for their crimes. Which is part of human rights. Getting the death penalty after being found guilty of participating in literal genocide is more than fair and doesn’t violate human rights.
Also, people say hyperbolic shit when they’re angry. And this war has understandably made a lot of people extremely angry. Not defending them if they really are calling for taking away human rights, but those people won’t be the actual ones deciding or even influencing what happens to anyone after the war so your tone policing is not doing much to help.
In this thread 3 separate users are in favor of war crimes on civilians and genocide, while the fourth argues against it by limiting themselves to favor extrajudicial killing, within a single conversation. It doesn’t sound very hyperbolic.
https://lemmy.world/post/44949285
And that’s just what fit in the screenshot.
fedditors not beating the zionist allegations in a hundred years edit: they actually can’t see this bc. I got banned for calling out their zionism, so I can just say that I think we should be boiling them alive without starting a slapfight.
I’ll slapfight that, because that’s a waste of time and water.
No need to sterilise, reusable, quicker to decompose I think it’s a superb idea.
What good does dehumanizing do? Genuinely curious
Catharsis tbh. I am german and it’s stressful af since I can never know how much of a freak any given person here. feddit.org stands for pretty much everything wrong in this country, especially for what passes here an “left”. Look at the fedditor freakshow in this thread for example: https://lemmy.ml/post/45151394
In this case it might give zionists and their supporters a clue to think whether they are the bad guys.
By using the tactics used by colonizers? The same tactic used by the Nazis against “subhumans”? Is this really the road we want go down again as society?
“How can you like dogs when Hitler did too!”
So you disagree that dehuminazing is a bad thing or?
Do you think that posts on social media are equal to genocide or colonization? It’s obvious to anyone with a working brain that ‘human’ is used to mean ‘humane’ here.
Let’s see what ‘inhuman’ means: “Of or pertaining to lack of compassion and the indifferently cruel, sadistic or barbaric behavior it brings”. Sounds quite apt to describe the behavior of zionists.
Dehumanizing isn’t about being inhumane. It’s about denying the people are even human. They are only objects to you when you dehumanize them.
You are arguing for this.
Oh, you’re one of those who like to put words into other people’s mouths. I don’t appreciate your kind and ain’t gonna bother talking to you.
What did you think I meant when I asked what good dehumanizing does?
When people commit such terrible wrongs, some find it easier to pretend they are not human. They gotta do everything they can to pretend Santa is real. Otherwise the reality of humanity will set in.
This is who we are.
This is how we are.
This is where we live.
This is how we live. For now.
dehumanizing nazis is standing with palestine. thank you western wise man! how could a barbarian like me ever understand anything without your guiding and knowledge from the old supreme world.
No, it isn’t standing with Palestine, nor standing against it. It’s simply pointless and a tactical error.
Dehumanizing is a mistake that the Nazis made, leaving them vulnerable to their own propaganda. They expected all their victims to be sneaky, cowardly and inferior, and they paid for that mistake.
Dehumanizing the new wave of fascists leaves us open to the same mistake.
The people committing genocide in Palestine are human, and it’s important for us to stop them by any means necessary, including killing them.
explain to me what sort of dehumanizing took place here? a joke about nazisraelites lacking the basics of human emotion and compassion? it’s not us who dehumanize them, it’s themselves who do it in a process of segregated alienation