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There is no old computer only bad os.
Old but gold.
To be fair you can 100% have a PC that’s too old and/or too low speced to run Linux with certain desktops. For example I personally wouldn’t use a PC with under 8gb of ram today if I wanted to run a modern desktop and Wayland compositors basically require (or soon will) Vulkan 1.0 support (for Nvidia that’s Kepler GK110 or later, AMD GCN 1.1 or later, and Intel Broadwell or later)
Kepler GPU need the 470 proprietary driver. It doesn’t work with current kernels 5.18 and newer. Even with an older kernel, I was unable to get Wayland to work.
Nouveau works with Wayland, but it does Vulkan in software, and had several noticeable visual bugs. I also was unable to get hardware acceleration for video to work even when installing the needed binary firmware. Besides that nouveau‘s feature Matrix is bit lacking.
Also if you have hybrid graphics in a laptop with Intel Iris and NVIDIA for example (OPTIMUS) there are additional issues to figure out.
Other hurdles might be wifi and bluetooth chips from Broadcom for example. You might have to install additional drivers, disable powersaving, and configure other tweaks to get Bluetooth audio and wifi to work properly.
The thing about Linux is that you have choice. You can put Xubuntu on a laptop with a Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM and it will fly.
You can absolutely keep using older X11 desktops or WMs forever, that doesn’t mean you’re getting the same experience as everyone else on a modern Wayland desktop or WM
There is a world of difference between “not getting the best experience” and “the entire computer is unusable now”.
The main problem is that nowadays a lot of software is JavaScript downloaded when web browsing. And that might just be too demanding for ancient hardware if it was never tested on it.
is anything you can’t do with antix on a pentium 4 even worth doing
Windows killing Wireguard is another name in the coffin for me.
Still need it for Playit Live and Excel VBA but that’s about it now.
Use WinBoat to run 2D applications like Excel. I’m not familiar with Playit Live, but it seems to be the kind of application that WinBoat works well with.
Except if you have an old NVIDIA card. The current kernel doesn’t support the old binary drivers anymore and the nouveau drivers are slow and buggy.
I mean that’s sorta the point of DKMS?
DKMS doesn’t mean it’s supported forever. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA lists incompatibilities with kernel and CPU features.
Kepler and newer GPUs don’t work with Linux kernel 5.18 and newer.
NVIDIA also doesn’t update legacy drivers for newer versions of XOrg and Wayland after support ends.
Of course nothing is supported forever, I personally wouldn’t expect support past a decade (official or unofficial)
Will it support a 3090?
you need to jump through small hoops for a 1080 and older.
I got it working out of the box with bazzite.
Yes, that’s a new card well supported by the proprietary driver. I’m talking about cards older than 5 or 10 years.
The post specifically mentions old computers.
My 1080Ti works out of the box with the bazzite-nvidia image
Yes, Pascal GPUs are supported by the legacy driver 470 and 580.
The current 595 driver doesn’t support your GPU.
Users with hardware that‘s only supported by 470, 390, or 340 have been out luck since Linux 5.18 or earlier.
If things change enough over time, you might lose support for your card as well.
NVIDIA Support for Pascal ends in 2028. Expect things to break two years later.
You don’t need the proprietary one anymore, the open source drivers from nvidia are better
The „open“ NVIDIA drivers don’t support legacy hardware.
You’re right I misread the comment when I responded, mea culpa
Both me and the wife have had to switch to the proprietary ones for gaming, the other ones were bugging out like hell.
I’ve had a good experience with the open source official ones on an Ampere generation GPU, sorry it didn’t work for yall. I should also say that they’re only available for Turing up if I recall. The other open source ones like nouveau, nova, and NVK are incomplete and for most cards offer a bad gaming experience, so if you have an older card it’s preferable to use the proprietary
cards from the 2000 series are supposed to be used with the newer kind of official driver, that’s supposed to be also more stable than the former one. this driver does not support cards before 2000
Talking from experience with a 3090 on ZorinOS (so Ubuntu family so old kernels i think, maybe it’s different on more recent ones), it mostly works. The two main problems i encountered are screen tearing across all games, and the screen sleep mode which didn’t work (but going from Zorin 17 to 18 solved this one, probably bc newer kernels worked best), and other than that it’s been smooth
That would explain some of the issues I was having with VRAM.
C’est trop meugnon
@[email protected] What does the French say?
windows is crashing linux is flowering, with linux there is no old pc only bad OS.
Crashing? With the context of the pictures and similarities with Spanish and Catalan idioms I would say windows stands you up.
“planter” in french can mean three things : plant (a seed), crash (a system) or break up (with someone)
Hence the triple punThe system crashing I didn’t know, does the computer plants itself or it plants you? in Spanish to plant someone or leave someone planted is to not show up on a date, so I would find it very funny if it was the latter.
Is the break up closer to dumping? I love to learn this kind on nuances.
I don’t speak french or Spanish, but in Italian “windows ti ha piantato” it has the same three nuances that op wrote. When a computer is “piantato” it means it’s frozen/crashed. Like it’s stuck, planted in the ground.
For example someone can shout “Cazzo!!! Questo cazzo di computer si è piantato e ho perso il salvataggio del cazzo! Cazzo!”
Also a girlfriend can “piantato” = break up or do no show on appointment. And also “piantato” main meaning is to plant something in the spil
I love to learn these kind of similarities between close languages.
“L’ordinateur a planté” means the computer crashed. There’s no complement to the verb there, it just “planted.”
L’ordinateur a planté, now I get it.
After looking a couple of dictionaries what I was trying to ask is if it was “a planté” or “s’est planté”
Thanks
“se planter” is yet another meaning of the word, it’s slang for “make a mistake” or “have an accident” (usually involving a vehicle). E.g.:
Je me suis planté à mon examen de maths
Je me suis planté en moto
“Ma petite amie m’a planté” is closer to “my girlfriend dumped me”, it’s a bit familiar. “Break up with X” could be “rompre avec X”
Thanks, one of these days I’ll find some time to get French lessons.
Yeah, the problem is that it’s had to convey the double meaning because “planter” is often used about an electronic device crashing, so it’s both windows crashed, and windows stood you up
Oh! I didn’t know that one hahahahha I love it. Here we say that windows hung itself, “se colgó”.
would make for a darker comic lmao
This is correct. From Larousse:
Familier. Abandonner brusquement quelqu’un, quelque chose quelque part : Il m’a planté au coin de la rue.
windows is crashing linux is flowering, with linux there is no old pc only bad OS.
Unless it is a 486 and you want to stay current :P
Alternatively you can use Debian and keep using an older kernel :3
I yearn for my old 486. the best rig I have ever owned.
Way way back. I was given a 486 (when pentium 90/100s were normal) at work to run the experimental internet connection on (the head of the company at the time didn’t think this internet fad would last). So I installed some magazine coverdisk linux and connected the office to the internet via a single modem.
I think it had a peak uptime of 550 days before it was replaced.
It’s OK, gramps, let’s get you back to bed.
Oh sweet child, you’ll never understand the pleasure of cutting motherboard PCB traces and replacing resistors to overclock a DX2 to 90MHz to play freely distributed CD-ROM cereal box AoE.
Back in my day we used to have to draw on the processor with a graphite pencil in order to unlock overclocking.
Kids these days with their UEFI and Windows-based overclocking utilities…
I already had a 233 MHz PII when AoE came out, so no.
I was poor as fuck back in AoE times, my computer was already oolllllld.
I still have my cereal box AoE CD somewhere…
Hey, it was really better times when you could have your computer in any colo(u)r you wanted, so long as it was beige.
Now you can have any colour you want, but they have mandatory LEDs embedded in every peripheral a d they no longer sell opaque cases.
You’re not kidding. I have no real interest in RGB. But it was cheaper to buy a case with a glass panel and the RGB ram of the same spec was cheaper than non RGB… I just made all the LEDs Borg green and left it that way.
I read that to the melody of “What does the Fox say?”.
rip bozo 😂
