• Havoc8154@mander.xyz
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    Obviously everyone here hates this, but I’m gonna offer another perspective here and prepare for the down votes I guess.

    There is a very good argument for OS level age ‘tracking’ as a means of creating a cohesive environment for software and websites to operate without having to implement individual age verification. The biggest actual issue here is how the OS determines what the user’s age is. If this is implemented similar to what California has done, the OS would simply ask for the user’s age at setup, and store that value, which can then be reported to programs and websites as needed. This would allow parents to setup a device for the child and not have to separately implement parental controls on every individual conceivable program, which are often easily circumvented. This would undermine any individual website’s attempts to use age verification as an excuse to collect government ID data, and the security risks inherent to that.

    There’s no need to put any kind of validation onto this, it should simply be self-reported.

    Now admittedly I don’t trust our government to implement this in any kind of reasonable way so I definitely understand and respect the outrage, but I guess I’m just trying to find some positive aspect of how this might be implemented.

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      See I would be fine with this. A user input. Cannot be modified after installation. The parent installs the OS, the kid is locked down. Easy.

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    Palantir really wants it’s fucking database.

    All because Petey truly believes that there are demons living in the United States.

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    Has Bipartisan support too. The corporations want this, and both of our parties listen to them first and us a distant second. Catering to corporate wants is about the only thing the two parties can agree on. It’s probably going to pass, even if I hope it doesn’t. Buckle up my friends…

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      Not gonna matter, especially if Linux, BSD, and other alternatives are criminalized by this.

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        Heh. They’ll have enough trouble validating it on Windows and Mac for them to not even care about Linux. If rey force Linux to do this it really is the year the Linux desktop.

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    A few years ago, due in part to frustration with our information environs, but also for fun, I decided not to get internet after moving to a new apartment. I didn’t have real internet for about 2 years. I did have 1GB of data per month through my phone service and used my phone or a mPCIE 4g card as an uplink for text-only internet. I restricted myself to JS-free http applications or light protocols like gopher, irc, rss, etc. I quite enjoyed my time having to be very mindful of my data usage. It forced me to fully audit all the technology on my LAN.

    If this kind of legislation passes, I simply won’t pay for internet. If both ISPs and telecoms start restricting devices, then I’ll forego cell-based data as well. If public wifi spots become too restrictive, I won’t patron those spots. I’ve accumulated more offline content on my server than I could ever consume in many lifetimes, so it really isn’t a loss. Hell, it’d be an opportunity to organize it all well, and share via meshnets. Don’t tempt me with a good time, politicians. I could save money, nerd out, and cut the noise from my information environments? Sign me up!

    edit: I wanted to add: I do really like having a fiber link, but the main draw is having the ability to host my own services. If that goes away due to hierarchical pricing or device/encryption restrictions, 95% of the value prop disappears. I will not be strong armed into using overly-centralized services.

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    Okay, what is this bill actually saying?

    That soon, you won’t even be able to own most computers without registering it under a government ID?

    Because that’s fucking nuts.

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    The Internet is built upon and requires anonymous participation! This is an attempt to end privacy…

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      Youth rights and children rights should not be forgotten. These rights are the most impacted here, which fundamentally causes them to succeed in the eradication of privacy rights.

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    Now do you see why I don’t trust government?

    Because it does things like this. And it’s not just our US government doing it. The entire world is getting more and more authoritarian.

    Government seeks power. Always. Which is why it must always be restrained.

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      Governments work for whoever acts like their bosses. The people don’t act that way, and oligarchs do, so here we are.

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      I trust the government, in that a government elected by a moderately intelligent population won’t be doing this fuckshit.

      The biggest problem is that human beings are, by and large, far too stupid. As one guy put it, too many fully-grown adults are falling for obvious games of Peek-a-boo. There are billions of people so stupid that there are birds with greater levels of intelligence and problem solving skills.

      We could have a wonderful world with a government that genuinely works for the people but instead half of us are voting our lives away just to spite already-disadvantaged minorities and the other half is voting for centrists because they’re too scared of even moderately progressive politicians. And the whole time polls show us as generally quite left-leaning, even the “conservatives” but we aren’t clever enough to see the tribalism right in front of us.

      Governments are representing their people, that’s the problem, and there’s also no solution that doesn’t itself devolve into authoritarianism almost immediately. The only thing I’m genuinely holding out for is that the leaded-fuel-poisoning theory is real and we all smarten the fuck up ASAP. Reality is screaming at us to figure it the fuck out.

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        Be kind to others, the game is rigged against them. Propaganda has never been stronger and its everywhere.

        Just yesterday I saw a video discussing how private equities buy up YouTube channels to seemingly both squeeze them for their worth and/or use their trust to push an agenda. E.g. fern & veritasium stood out to me the most.

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          The propaganda is lazy and obvious. I will not demand that many of them being hanged in the street but I will not sit here and act as though they aren’t immensely fucking stupid for falling for this crap. They can’t even be consistent enough in their own messaging to claim that the wool has been pulled over their eyes.

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          Be kind to others, the game is rigged against them. Propaganda has never been stronger and its everywhere.

          No, we’re long past the point where not being able to think critically about the shit we’re fed is acceptable. Misinformation has been rampant for decades. Anyone still swallowing it deserves all the criticism coming their way. People still buy into Trump’s bullshit for fucks sake. Fuck em.

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            It got acquired some years back and he even talked about it in a video year something later. Doesn’t mean he’s sold out, but the impact will be there.

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      Im not sure about “restrained” per see, but the tree of liberty needs to be watered from time to time