The US has 1 foreign policy. All previous presidents have enacted it. All future ones will also.
Anyone who thinks Biden wouldn’t have continued the US policy of bombing the middle east, are ignorant of the fact that he already did:
Man I hate when reality do tankie propaganda
reality has a REALLY nasty habit of doing that. lol
You can’t even rebuke the statements
that doesn’t stop people from doing it anyways. lol
Oh course they would have, anyone thinking otherwise is a fucking idiot. Biden is a war hawk, Harris is a war hawk that wanted the world most lethal military, Clinton was a war hawk. They are all Israel’s removed and will do whatever the occupying state demands of them
Harris is a war hawk that wanted the world most lethal military
That she even said “most lethal” (read: kills the most people) rather than something like “strongest”, “most powerful”, or “most effective” was certainly a choice.
really tells who they’re speaking to.
Cliton is still a war hawk. She is the biggest. Nobody backed as much foreign interventions and wars than her
Justice for Libya. May she burn in the hell she helped create
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Most likely. Every US President has had military manoeuvres as part of their administration. Maybe not as incompetent, chaotic, and announced on social media as Trump’s but he isn’t the complete outlier people like to pretend. He is maybe the worst person to hold office and may be awful at carrying out his agenda but his agenda is only a bit more extreme than the usual USA rules the world and everyone has to bow down to them that has been going on since the end of WW2.
He’s no different than any president before him but all past ones did it more covertly. He is the poster child for American politics.
US-Iranian Relations under Biden were complicated and nuanced.
Biden was VPnundee the Obama administration who famously came close to finalizing the “nuclear deal” with Iran, under which they would cooperate with UN inspectors and be allowed to enrich unraniun for energy, sanctions woukd have been eased, relations would have been normalized. That is NOT to say everything would have been sunshine and rainbows in the Middle East. Khomeini was still an oppressive dictator, US inperalism would still continue, oil would be even cheaper and continuing to destroy the planet, and the region would still have plenty of tensions from religious, ethnic, and political divides. But it would have been one of the biggest steps towards peace and stability since since the Ottoman empire collapsed.
Trump tore it up in his first term and illegally assassinated an Iranian general in early 2020. Which was quickly forgotten about in the news cycle because of Australia wildfires and then Covid.
Biden tries to restore that deal, but it waa made much more difficult because Iran (and most of the world) learned they could not trust the US long-term.
Biden was a war criminal who continued a lot of war crimes in the middle east from his predecessors, but to suggest he would have provoked or forced an issue with Iran similar to what Trump is doing is just asinine “both sides”-ing. Biden also LISTENED to his military experts who would have told him what a dumb idea this was.
And that would really have been worse in a lot of ways. If the war happened under Biden, then it would’ve been executed more competently. The US would’ve lined up the vassals, and manufactured support for the war. They would’ve created an incident to make it look like Iran was the aggressor. We’d have another proxy war similar to Ukraine where a lot of western public would be cheering for it.
Biden had 4 years to make that happen if he wanted, yet at every chance he turned towards economic and political pressure instead of military pressure with Iran. I really do not understand why you think that would have somehow changed in a hypothetical second term.
Trump tried to start a war with Iran in his first term, failed and then forced it in his second term and is failing miserably in every way possible.
It is possible that Biden may have personally wanted to go to war with Iran. I don’t know him personally. But every move he made aa President and as VP signaled he did not want to. Regardless of his personal motivations, he probably understood what Trump did not: the US has never had the ability to force the Straight of Hormuz open, Iran has the ability to close it, and the closure would have disastrous economic consequences for the US and its allies.
Its funny you mention Ukraine out of nowhere because the one country which HAS benefitted from all this is Russia. Sure, they supported Iran, but suddenly there are tensions within NATO and the world is more desperate for natural gas.
He literally explains in the video that the timeline didn’t line up. Biden was too busy with his proxy war in Ukraine and doing a genocide in Gaza to worry about directly attacking Iran at the time. The plan to fight Iran and having Israel provoke the war has been in the works for over a decade now. This was all just a matter of time, and Trump simply happened to be the one to preside over it.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf
Russia obviously has benefited from the incompetent way Trump tried to prosecute the war, but it’s obvious that the goal was to destabilize China’s oil imports and to destroy Iran the way the US destroyed Syria under Biden to cut Chinese land routes to West Asia and Africa.
So what has changed? Do you think Biden woukd have stopped “his proxy war” in Ukraine in order to go and fuck things up on Iran?
China has been doing fantastically well, continuing to influence Africa and Europe despite what you think the US’s intentions in Syria may have been, and China also seems to be benefitting pretty well from what is going on in Iran too. Russia does not have the economy to compete with the US or China. China has been benefiting from the NATO division too, the undermining of the US dollar, and the high oil prices have driven the world to invest even more strongly in solar panels and electrical infrastructure, which China is by far the leading supplier of.
The simple fact that makes Iran different from Ukraine or Syria is that ear with Iran is bad for the US and its allies. Biden understood that.
The US has books on going to war with literally every country, because its an imperial power with employees whose literal job it is to make sure they are prepared in every scenario. They purposefully use code names and try to obscure the plans that are against countries they are currently allied with. That absolutely does not mean it is realistic to predict that anyone who would have been elected would go to war with every single country. That document was written in 2016: why didn’t Trump go to war in his first term? Why didn’t Biden do anything in his term? Suggesting Biden would have changed without material changes to the global economy, the middle east, or within Iran, is a silly oversimplification just trying to hate on Biden for no reason. Which is even more silly considering there are very real reasons to hate on Biden. I find it odd you haven’t even mentioned Yemen, which is what I was referring to when I called him a war criminal.
What changed is that Iran has started getting actively integrated economically with China and Russia. A lot of this is direct fallout from the war in Ukraine which led to an alternative economic system being established that bypasses western trade. The US and Israel realized that this might be their last opportunity to destroy Iran, and they went for it.
Also, it’s very obvious what American intentions in Syria were given that they literally put an ISIS terrorist in charge of it. The fact that China isn’t run by imbeciles has fuck all to do with the intentions of the Burger Reich.
It’s pretty clear that Russia has an economy that can, not only compete with the US, but outproduce all of NATO militarily as western media openly reports now.
The simple fact is that Iran, Ukraine, and Syria all have the same underlying rationale behind them.
The fact that the US is doing precisely what the policy papers it puts out say the US will do clearly shows these aren’t just abstract books as you’re trying to frame this. These are actual goals of the empire, and the pedophile elites ruling over you are implementing these goals while you do your mental gymnastics here.
Speculation is neat.
You think Biden woulda done a shitcoin or 3, rounded up the others to harass, torture, and deport (maybe to their birth country, maybe to a gulag, who knows) like this guy?
I’m thinking this level of cruelty is a 100-year problem, and that anyone else on the planet except another craven dictator would’ve been a better choice.
Biden presided over a literal genocide and was proud of it.
ICE was deporting people and rounding them up into concentration camps under Biden. Unless you think CECOT opened for business on Jan 20, 2024
“Do you really think Biden would have done the thing that he did?”
It’s incredible the degree to which BlueMAGA liberals have memory holed the entire Biden administration.
rounded up the others to harass, torture, and deport (maybe to their birth country, maybe to a gulag, who knows) like this guy
How much was ICE funding raised under Obama and Biden? How many extra ICE agents did they higher? How many camps did they build? It didn’t all materialize into existence under Trump you historically illiterate idiot. Kids in cages only matter to you people when its the red team doing it it’s crazy.
I’m thinking this level of cruelty is a 100-year problem, and that anyone else on the planet except another craven dictator would’ve been a better choice.
The people of Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc. and those who remained in Guantanamo (which the deporter in chief lied about planning to close) would probably disagree with you. Trump is simply showing the true face of Amerikkka which is arguably better for the third world than the better planned imperialism with good pr to now.
They ignore all those issues when there’s a Dem in the WH, they don’t want anything interrupting their brunch. They ignore how their own party lays the groundwork for Republican actions. Democrats build the cages, trump uses them. They built the concentration camps, Republicans use them. They fund ice and local police to historic levels and Republicans utilize it. They are co-conspirators against the working class
Now’s not the time to talk about that, maybe after we help them win the election we can talk about their problems. Oh wait the mid terms are coming up, now’s not the time to talk about that, maybe after we help them win the election we can talk about their problems.
I’ve been hearing that same song and dance from them since I’ve been able to vote for the last 35 years.
Ofc he wouldn’t have. That’s the deal. “Let us kill brown people abroad or we will kill brown people domestically”
I’d rather have Stalin to tell you the truth
I’d rather have Stalin than any US president.
That’s not what he said at all.
I see your English comprehension isn’t too good:
In July 2024, Secretary Blinken claimed Iran was one or two weeks away from having enough fissile material breakout capacity to eventually make a weapon if Iran had decided to do so. There were indirect negotiations that the Biden administration did, but it went nowhere. So when President Trump argues that he did when no other president would, is it just simply that the bill was coming due and it fell on his watch?
I do think there’s a certain element to that. And that’s why I was supportive of President Trump joining in in June to take the strikes, that we had thought internally in the Biden administration, we may have to take, if there was a second term, we thought that the spring, summer of 2025 was probably, we may have to be there in the same place. And we did war games, we did some practice runs on what it would look like to look into it, because that may have had to happen under our watch as well. But he said we obliterated their nuclear program. The question then is not about what he did in June. This war we were in now did not attack the nuclear facilities again. This was not about the nuclear. So the question now becomes, can you do a deal with the Iranians? And the maximumist positions that both sides have are right now very far apart, despite all the rhetoric that we’re almost there or we are there, but if we’re not there, we’ll bomb the hell out of them.
BlueAnoners are as credulous as Trumpers when it comes to US imperialism, which is a bipartisan project.
Trumpers are more open about supporting imperialism
He says that should Iran develop nuclear capabilities then they possibly would have had to take action, and then he specifically calls out that the current war of aggression is wrong. That isn’t the same position as what you are pushing.
He repeated Trump claim that iran is developing nukes so he did use the same lie that would allow the administration he was part of to attack Iran.
Even if they was developping nuks. The usa still has no right to start a war for it
In Saddam, Gaddafi, Khameini Sr (and in a sense Ukraine), the West has also shown that eliminating/diminishing your nuclear program to not be a viable long-term safety plan anyway.
The Burger Reich has been claiming that Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons literally for decades now. Anybody with even a minimally functioning brain understands that this is just a pretext for starting a war.
And yet, nowhere during Biden’s term did he start a war with Iran. Look, I really don’t want to be put in the position of defending Biden, but some guy years later saying maybe if things had worked out a certain way something would have had to be done is just shitty media running cover for what Trump is actually doing. This is a cbs show trying to help push the narrative that Trump put out there of ‘they all wanted to do it and only I had the balls.’
There are countless reasons to attack the Biden administration, but focusing on stupid shit like this is pointless and only serves to divide the left and to bolster Trumps bullshit claims.
divide the left
How?
By getting someone like me arguing with someone like yogthos about whether Biden (who neither of us even like) would have done something in his second term that he didn’t even run for. This entire topic is moot.
Biden literally said Israel can attack iranian oil facilities. Many exerices was made to prepare for a war with Iran
Chariots of Fire" (2022): A month-long exercise that simulated a multi-front war, including long-range strike capabilities specifically designed to reach Iranian nuclear facilities.
Aerial Refueling Readiness: Israel accelerated the acquisition and testing of KC-46A Pegasus tankers to enable fighter jets (like the F-35) to reach Iran and return without landing in neighboring countries.
"Juniper Oak" (2023): The largest-ever joint U.S.-Israel military exercise. While the Biden administration framed it as “regional stability” training, it was widely viewed as a rehearsal for destroying hardened targets, featuring live-fire drills with B-52 bombers and precision-guided munitions.
Biden admin only facilitated a literal genocide in Gaza and a proxy war in Ukraine. What he says, very plainly, is that Biden admin would have done the same atrocities that Trump admin is doing. You live in a fascist state buddy, and you better start acknowledging it because anything else makes you a collaborator.
So spend your time criticizing those two things, as opposed to a thing that he did not do but cbs claims maybe he would have. Which of course is also ignoring the fact that he wasn’t even on the final ballot.
You’re working very hard to miss the point here which is that Biden admin would have been willing to commit this atrocity as well. That’s what he’s saying. It’s not a hypothetical of whether or not Biden would’ve done the same thing Trump did. It’s a declaration of intent and it illustrates the continuity of policy. It doesn’t matter which shit stain rules over you, they all follow the same genocidal agenda. And by trying to carry water for them, you’re directly enabling this fascist system to keep going.
