Yeah, but she’s right though. Gaston is psyched to be the biggest fish in their small pond town. Belle wants to be in a bigger pond. She aspires and yearns for more than her little town can ever offer her while everybody else is content to just exist as is. Gaston might not even be literate, yet he has the respect and adoration of pretty much everybody in town. Everybody thinks she’s a fucking weirdo for reading books. She and her father are the town pariahs for growing brains, so it’s kinda wild to criticize them for wanting something better than a town full of people who shit on them while worshipping a dumbass prettyboy.
Yeah, as someone who grew up in a conservative town and got bit by the travel bug, it’s really relatable actually.
People absolutely do look down on you for not being content to just live a “normal life” (meaning "conform to the oppressive standards we impose on you as “normal.”). They’ll make fun of you for being intelligent (“brainiac”/“knowitall”/etc.), and even call you arrogant while worshipping the narcissists who happen to be into sports and machismo culture instead of books and knowledge.
And when you say you want to see the world, they act like you’re arrogant/pretentious. “Oh, so you think you’re better than the rest of us?” And they think it’s unrealistic too. As if no one has ever left their hometown and built a life for themselves anywhere else. And they’ll try to guilt you about it, like “so you’re just going to abandon us?”
Right? People who read into this have clearly never been the geek/nerd/weirdo who came from a small town. It’s absolute hell, Belle was relatable as fuck.
You’re right but OP was saying that thinking this was thinking she’s better than the town. It’s one of those situations where a woman can’t win because men are describing her actions. “Woman dreams of a life well lived” is the same as “Woman thinks town is beneath her” except hunting lodge chuds are describing her.
As a man who identifies more with Belle than with the rest of the townspeople, I can absolutely tell you that men who don’t conform get treated the exact same way. It’s not a gender thing.
Also, the women in the town judge her too, so why “can’t win because men are describing her actions”? Again, it’s not a gender thing.
The townsfolk’s criticisms of Belle aren’t completely unwarranted. Gaston is a creep and a blowhard, but he’s an accomplished hunter so he’s ostensibly producing something for the town. Belle doesn’t do anything useful, she’s not even a teacher or scholar as far as we know.
Seemed like she was taking care of her father while self-educating in her spare time.
The subtext of your comment indicates that a person is either producing something or is useless, and I both disagree with that idea and think that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society. I think that if we aren’t striving to enable the option of more idle time for anybody who wants it or needs it, then what the fuck is the point of any of this? Criticizing somebody for enjoying idle time is ludicrous.
“From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.”
But then what is she doing with that education? I agree that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society, but only if that knowledge gets applied somehow.
You don’t need to be producing something in the context of increasing shareholder value, but if you have skills and are able then you should be contributing to your community. Especially in a preindustrial European town where people really needed to pull their weight.
Belle was more than able to be an educator but it seems like she was completely disconnected from everyone and chose to spend all of her time on leisure. I don’t think that’s a healthy lifestyle regardless of economic system.
It’s been a while since I watched the movie but I never got the impression that her father needed extra caring for. He fell ill towards the middle of the movie but was healthy in the beginning IIRC.
It’s been a while since I watched the movie but I never got the impression that her father needed extra caring for. He fell ill towards the middle of the movie but was healthy in the beginning IIRC.
Our introduction to him is an invention backfiring and harming him non life threateningly.
I get the impression that without Belle to mind him, he would be dead from an invention that went too wrong, though it is not explicitly stated.
He falls ill after the townsfolk imprison him without heat in winter. Their excuse for locking him up is “he’s crazy” when he tells them of the castle and it’s inhabitants.
I agree that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society, but only if that knowledge gets applied somehow.
She helped her father. Without her encouragement, he would’ve given up, but he kept at it and finished the wood chopping machine. And it’s implied that he wasn’t really caring for himself. I’m not sure if he did anything else like farm, or maybe he was an aging woodchopper looking to find a way to keep being useful.
Belle was more than able to be an educator but it seems like she was completely disconnected from everyone and chose to spend all of her time on leisure.
How do you educate a town that doesn’t want to be educated? And again, she was self-educating in her spare time. It’s unreasonable to expect every hobby to be expressly for helping others, just as it would be to monetize them. Not to mention, education is an investment. Maybe she could invent something in the future like her father was doing in his later years. More likely is that she might write books of her own, but you see how little the rest of the town values books and those who read them. The town just isn’t the right place for her.
It’s weird that the town gave a shit about her choosing to read, and even weirder that people here in the real world are siding with the fictional dumb hicks here. It’s not like she owed them anything. Especially after the way they treat her and her father. Fuck those judgy yokels. Even these days, I get a sour look when I mention reading books. It’s like half the people in the world decided to grow up to be Matilda’s shitty parents.
Yeah, but she’s right though. Gaston is psyched to be the biggest fish in their small pond town. Belle wants to be in a bigger pond. She aspires and yearns for more than her little town can ever offer her while everybody else is content to just exist as is. Gaston might not even be literate, yet he has the respect and adoration of pretty much everybody in town. Everybody thinks she’s a fucking weirdo for reading books. She and her father are the town pariahs for growing brains, so it’s kinda wild to criticize them for wanting something better than a town full of people who shit on them while worshipping a dumbass prettyboy.
Yeah, as someone who grew up in a conservative town and got bit by the travel bug, it’s really relatable actually.
People absolutely do look down on you for not being content to just live a “normal life” (meaning "conform to the oppressive standards we impose on you as “normal.”). They’ll make fun of you for being intelligent (“brainiac”/“knowitall”/etc.), and even call you arrogant while worshipping the narcissists who happen to be into sports and machismo culture instead of books and knowledge.
And when you say you want to see the world, they act like you’re arrogant/pretentious. “Oh, so you think you’re better than the rest of us?” And they think it’s unrealistic too. As if no one has ever left their hometown and built a life for themselves anywhere else. And they’ll try to guilt you about it, like “so you’re just going to abandon us?”
It’s really exhausting, to be honest…
Yeah but have you seen him eat eggs???
It’s not as pretty as it sounds
five dozen, no less
There’s a song about it. A different one than you might think https://youtu.be/9DDN5nhCUUU
That man can eat so many eggs.
Dude is roughly the size of a mother-lovin’ barge!!
Right? People who read into this have clearly never been the geek/nerd/weirdo who came from a small town. It’s absolute hell, Belle was relatable as fuck.
You’re right but OP was saying that thinking this was thinking she’s better than the town. It’s one of those situations where a woman can’t win because men are describing her actions. “Woman dreams of a life well lived” is the same as “Woman thinks town is beneath her” except hunting lodge chuds are describing her.
As a man who identifies more with Belle than with the rest of the townspeople, I can absolutely tell you that men who don’t conform get treated the exact same way. It’s not a gender thing.
Also, the women in the town judge her too, so why “can’t win because men are describing her actions”? Again, it’s not a gender thing.
Only an illiterate jock would be upset that someone wants more than an illiterate jock.
The townsfolk’s criticisms of Belle aren’t completely unwarranted. Gaston is a creep and a blowhard, but he’s an accomplished hunter so he’s ostensibly producing something for the town. Belle doesn’t do anything useful, she’s not even a teacher or scholar as far as we know.
Seemed like she was taking care of her father while self-educating in her spare time.
The subtext of your comment indicates that a person is either producing something or is useless, and I both disagree with that idea and think that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society. I think that if we aren’t striving to enable the option of more idle time for anybody who wants it or needs it, then what the fuck is the point of any of this? Criticizing somebody for enjoying idle time is ludicrous.
“From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.”
But then what is she doing with that education? I agree that learning and thinking are incredibly useful to society, but only if that knowledge gets applied somehow.
You don’t need to be producing something in the context of increasing shareholder value, but if you have skills and are able then you should be contributing to your community. Especially in a preindustrial European town where people really needed to pull their weight.
Belle was more than able to be an educator but it seems like she was completely disconnected from everyone and chose to spend all of her time on leisure. I don’t think that’s a healthy lifestyle regardless of economic system.
It’s been a while since I watched the movie but I never got the impression that her father needed extra caring for. He fell ill towards the middle of the movie but was healthy in the beginning IIRC.
Our introduction to him is an invention backfiring and harming him non life threateningly.
I get the impression that without Belle to mind him, he would be dead from an invention that went too wrong, though it is not explicitly stated.
He falls ill after the townsfolk imprison him without heat in winter. Their excuse for locking him up is “he’s crazy” when he tells them of the castle and it’s inhabitants.
She helped her father. Without her encouragement, he would’ve given up, but he kept at it and finished the wood chopping machine. And it’s implied that he wasn’t really caring for himself. I’m not sure if he did anything else like farm, or maybe he was an aging woodchopper looking to find a way to keep being useful.
How do you educate a town that doesn’t want to be educated? And again, she was self-educating in her spare time. It’s unreasonable to expect every hobby to be expressly for helping others, just as it would be to monetize them. Not to mention, education is an investment. Maybe she could invent something in the future like her father was doing in his later years. More likely is that she might write books of her own, but you see how little the rest of the town values books and those who read them. The town just isn’t the right place for her.
It’s weird that the town gave a shit about her choosing to read, and even weirder that people here in the real world are siding with the fictional dumb hicks here. It’s not like she owed them anything. Especially after the way they treat her and her father. Fuck those judgy yokels. Even these days, I get a sour look when I mention reading books. It’s like half the people in the world decided to grow up to be Matilda’s shitty parents.