Ignoring EFF’s warnings about the dangers and impossibility of implementing a new mandate for 3D print surveillance software, the California State Assembly has signed off on legislation to do just that. In the process, legislators amended the bill to make it even more confusing, while failing to address the risks to privacy, speech, and consumer rights. We must renew our call on legislators to drop this bill as it heads to the state senate, and protect the tools of creators in the state.
    • TrippinMallard@lemmy.mlEnglish
      51·
      2 days ago

      Hey now, don’t give them any ideas… Next thing you know all stepper motors will require daily inspection before use by a robocop placed in every home.

  • ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.comEnglish
    671·
    3 days ago

    You can buy whole kits to build your own, the capacity to control what is made with the is about as much as if you tried to ban someone with a table saw from building a birdhouse.

    • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      14 hours ago

      Oh nothing to worry about then? Fuck you, we need to fight back against every infringement of our rights, it has nothing to do with how effective the law will be but that the law is WRONG.

      Jesus christ when will we stop doing this?

    • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      411·
      3 days ago

      tried to ban someone with a table saw from building a birdhouse.

      Thats a perfectly succinct analogy.

      • Lung@lemmy.worldEnglish
        202·
        3 days ago

        Pretty sure you could make a gun too, which is the point of this 3D printer thing

        And like what about other CNC machines?

        I like that California is on the frontier of many tech laws, but this and the age thing are particularly dumb lately

        • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
          182·
          3 days ago

          I made an AR15 with a hobby drill press from Lowes at work. Give me a hunk of metal, a micrometer and a file and I can make you a gun.

          Or worse.

          • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
            1·
            14 hours ago

            And that is illegal, as it should be. The efficacy of a law has nothing to do with whether it’s moral.

            It’s like saying “we don’t have the manpower to police murder effectively, so we are gonna legalize murder”. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what the law is fucking for.

              • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
                1·
                14 hours ago

                Are the laws sound and moral? That’s the only important metric, it doesn’t matter how many laws you have. It’s not like you go, oh shit, we have to keep it under a hundred thousand so now we can’t make new laws around AI data centers because that’s just too many!

                • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  13 hours ago

                  lol you again, who decides whats “moral”?

                  And WTF are you bringing data centers into a post about 3D printing and California’s draconian laws?

          • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            2 days ago

            Neat, I would’ve assumed you’d need a mill or a lathe, not just a drill press. Kinda want to know how to do it myself, since I own the former but not either of the latter.

            • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              It won’t be accurate or be a long baller w/o a lathe to make a rifled barrel. Not that you couldn’t mke a barrel with hand tools, it just would be very difficult.

              And like others have said, only the lower receiver is the controlled item. You goto Brownels and can buy 98% of an AR w/o a background check.

            • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
              61·
              2 days ago

              The upper reciever is the load bearing part on an Armalite, but it’s also not the regulated part. The lower receiver is, and all you need for that is a box that holds the trigger components in vaguely the right place, a hole that lines up the magazine, a hole to stick the buffer tube into at the back, and some way to nail the upper receiver to it.

              You could carve an AR lower out of wood if you were dedicated enough.

        • mctoasterson@reddthat.comEnglish
          121·
          3 days ago

          Nobody tell California about a nail combined with certain diameters of pipe, because guess what, those can become guns too.

        • PattyMcB@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          2 days ago

          If I’m not mistaken, this DOES cover ALL manufacturing devices, and if it doesn’t, it will in the future

        • Oneiros@eviltoast.orgEnglish
          31·
          2 days ago

          Yeah I’ve lived in CA for about 10 years now and have loved it, but the new laws they are passing are making it extremely likely that I’ll be moving soon. Especially with tje fact that we are either getting either Becerra who’s in Big AI and Big Oils pocket.

      • PattyMcB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Printer manufacturers won’t make state-specific versions of printers. This is going to screw all of us.

        • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          14 hours ago

          Printer manufacturers won’t make state-specific versions of printers.

          Likely not even country specific ones.

          This is going to screw all of us.

          This is the USA screwing the world (again)

      • DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zipEnglish
        93·
        2 days ago

        Actually ammo reloaded at home shoots better than factory ammo this is a known occurance. And guns put together with kits usually shoot better and have less problems than mass produced factory ones.

        Guns aren’t really that difficult to make. Hell that Japanese guy shot Shinto Abe with a gun he made himself although bit of a different thing because it used a battery to ignite the gunpowder but still the same idea.

        Making guns isn’t hard to do.

        3d printed ones are a joke though. You can only use them a few times before they become even more dangerous and unpredictable. Anyone who wanted to use an actual firearm would never use a 3d printed gun.

        Maybe one of those 200K metal 3d printers or whatever. But at that point it would be easier to machine the parts yourself out of metal. It really isn’t as difficult as you seem to think it is to do that.

        If they wanted gun control (which California already has a bit more of than other States) then they could pass a law doing that. This is 100% a surveillance law.

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        2 days ago

        Tell me you know nothing about metalworking and firearms, without telling me you know nothing about metalworking and firearms.

      • sleet01@lemmy.caEnglish
        8·
        3 days ago

        blows dust off classic Fellowes floppy disk caddy

        “Gimme some sugar, baby!”

          • PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            3 days ago

            I know that a Samsung teevee disconnected from the internet will try and use another appliances internet connection if it can. Gotta imagine this is possible in other devices, too.

            • dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              2·
              2 days ago

              Can you share more info on this? I’m interested in the technical aspect how this is done, specifically which devices it uses?

              For instance, say, a smart speaker, may have Bluetooth and WiFi, but I’m not sure any halfway comprehensive network stack I’d even implemented that could be used as a proxy, let alone autonomously remotely reconfigured to do so.

              • PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                2 days ago

                If memory serves correctly it was another Samsung device it was leveraging which makes more sense. There were other occasions where it had once been attached to WiFi for a firmware update, disconnected and told to forget the network, but attached again to it at least twice. Took the steps to forget the network again and then powered off completely. Subsequent checks show no further connections so far.

                • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  I’ve also heard of devices that scan for open networks in the area to use. It’s also possible for them to come with a sim card and use a discounted cell collection, though not sure if any TVs are actually doing that. Could even be a virtual SIM so there’s no card to find and potentially just remove/destroy.

            • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Last year I started maintaining a MAC address whitelist on the router: if I haven’t added it, it doesn’t get in or go out. No way in hell I’m putting any household appliance on the allowed list. While an appliance could technically still try to access via an allowed device, they’re all phones and tablets and computers with slightly more robust security than the trust me bro levels of an IoT appliance.

              • Zoot@reddthat.comEnglish
                2·
                2 days ago

                Just gotta hope your neighbors don’t connect their devices, and that your own can’t reach the neighbors.

  • Lasherz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    16 hours ago

    I don’t really get it other than changing its convenience and efficiency. Superglue and wall loops make stronger parts of multiple pieces than priting it all in one.

    Maybe poor wording? I just mean their task is enormous to filter these parts in a way that actually targets them and nothing else and splitting pieces will invariably be the new technique for those people who are making them. The thing is when you’re making gun pieces it’s a disposable or sellable piece meaning they’re likely producing multiple of the same models. They will easily adapt techniques that continue to work for them while our prints get filtered into that group despite having nothing to do with guns.

    I also think we should be able to print whatever the fuck we want with our own devices, but even from their perspective it’s not going to work. This seems like a handwave attempt at garnering plausible deniability from high profile cases of murder as well as sucking up to politicians and pretending they actually care about the problem.

    Also in my original post I forgot this applies to CNC machines too, this is going to be a shitshow.