Sure, then the next time a democrats in we can kill them! Then the next republican! Then the next democrat! And maybe put a bullet in Obama just because! Right? That’s how freedom and democracy works
Crap like this and calling everyone a Nazis why you lost the election. The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence. The way you get rid of trump isn’t by shooting him it’s by becoming normal healthy mentally sound people again and proposing reasonable and intelligent alternatives. Begging for someone to kill the leader of the country who was duly elected is not a sensible or sane alternative
You are right about the cycle of escalation. But what if I told you we are already on that path, we have just been waiting for the other guys to move first?
I would point out that there was very little evidence to support that. How many times was Obama shot at? How many times was Biden shot at? ( and he was a pretty slow moving target 😂) But left wing Shooters have tried to kill trump numerous times now. Research has shown that democrats and left-wing voters, especially the younger ones, are more likely to accept political violence.
At some point honest people have to put their foot down and say I don’t care what side is doing it this is unacceptable.
But you can see here that a number of posters have literally come right out and said they want to see more violence. The problem is there isn’t enough violence and we need to kill more people
You’re not seeing that on right wing boards. And you didn’t win Obama and Biden were in. If some nut job made that comment other right-wing people tend to step forward and say shut up that’s not how it works
Well then you’re pointing out something that simply a fabrication. Whether you agree with what ice is doing or not that violence is not political. They’re not arresting people because they’re democrats and they’re not shooting people because of how they vote. They’re arresting lawbreakers and shooting people who threaten their lives. You can argue entirely one way or another that the shooting was justified or not but you can’t argue that it was political
[ICE a]re arresting lawbreakers and shooting people who threaten their lives. You can argue entirely one way or another that the shooting was justified or not but you can’t argue that it was political
Shut THE ACTUAL FUCK UP with your false equivalency BS. You deal with real, demonstrable fascists with bullets, Gramps proved that in WW2.
The French Used Guilutines
Hanging is also a popular option.
The left is interested in democracy but the people in power are not. We got this democracy through armed revolution, once, Maintained it thought a violent civil war (which the fascists lost AGAIN, if you are keeping score) so quit shutting down the idea. We try to avoid it, of course, but its ALWAYS ON THE TABLE.
Sorry but he’s not a demonstrable fascist. You just don’t like it. But you don’t deal with any elected official with bullets. You just don’t.
I understand that your level you probably haven’t been exposed to much history but french aristocrats were not elected. Germany was not a democracy by the time the war broke out
But America is a democracy and the reason for a democracy is so that you don’t kill people to change governments
Based on your theory I should be allowed to kill anybody I disagree with right. Do you really think that’s a good idea?
That’s certainly true, but that’s not really the challenge. The challenge is that the left-wing people have taken to simply referring to anyone that they disagree with as being fascist. Or Nazis or whatever.
The left has taken this tactic where the first thing they do in any discussion or argument is dehumanize their opponent. They claim that the person is a subhuman of one type or another. Then they use this as an excuse to claim they don’t need to listen to that person and it’s okay to kill that person
It’s not okay and that’s absolutely horrific and absolutely no different than what the Nazis or the stalinists or any of the other mass murderers in history did
Dude tries to steal an election, gets caught dead to rights with an audio leak, leads an attempted coup on the day he’s supposed to transfer power, gets reelected and proceeds to kidnap and assassinate foreign leaders, while taking each and every opportunity to express how much he wants to stay for a third and illegal term, and you think the biggest problem is the people who don’t like him.
Keep it up. Your country will smoulder, but i’m sure you’ll find some new nonsensical bullshit to make you feel smug enough to vote for it.
I’m Canadian bud, I’m just watching the freak show. I don’t even particularly like trump
But once again what you said is radically untrue but you put it forward as the truth and that’s what costs the democrats and the left elections. Trump absolutely try to use a legal loophole to take an election away from legitimate winner because he was convinced that there was some species of fraud that he couldn’t prove. That is absolutely a thing that happened but trying to say he stole it is a little bit different.
And he did not lead an attempted coup that’s just absolutely nonsense.
And as far as kidnapping and killing foreign leaders ago, I will point out that virtually every president in history has done that 😆😆😆 Remember when Obama was doing the victory lapse and the radio circuits and high-fiving everyone because he killed Bin Laden in a country that he had no permission to be in? But you’re fine with it then but now we’re all supposed to be hugely morally upset because someone you don’t like has done the same thing. It’s not even the first time the US has killed an Iranian leader but no issue before, now it’s the worst thing anybody could possibly do.
If hypocrisy could be used to produce power you sir could end global warming.
Trump won’t be staying in for a third term. Everybody knows it he just likes trolling you. But you use it as an excuse to justify your own bad behavior.
Oh and I’m actually upset that somebody suggested that it was okay to kill the president and somebody should hurry up and do it. Yeah I hate to break it to you but that’s a bad thing. Killing the elected leader of a democracy is a Bad Thing. If you actually need that explain to you that I don’t know what to tell you but you’ve got no moral stance to talk about anyone else being killed
Uhh, what is your actual argument? You seem confused as to where you are.
Why do you think I’d give a shit about Obama and Bin Laden? We were talking specifically about Iran. And you seemed surprised that they’d want our President dead. I was pointing out several reasons why.
Actually they don’t. And they didn’t complain about osama etc etc
Which is fine, I’m sure that individual people on both sides have individual opinions about those things and not everything popular with everyone etc but at the end of the day it was entirely tolerated by the left. And that establishes a precedent, and then the precedent is then used by following presidents of either political stripe
And this is a running theme. Over the last 15 years or so there have been a number of things which have escalated beyond their normal status Which the left has been silent about only to find the same things used against them at which point they Complain. at that point is too late.
Quite a few people seem to like him, or at least more than the democrats which is a frighting commentary on THEIR situation. I know he’s being protected because sane and normal people understand it’s not okay to kill politicians just because you don’t like them and a democracy
Ice is literally killing people in self-defense when they perceive a threat. Today I haven’t seen anything that suggests something else is happening and neither have there been any charges. And a cool good killing is pretty much cut and dry, she hit the guy with the car after being ordered to stop. The next guy that got killed is a little bit more tragic because there’s no indication he was actually trying to kill a cop but he’s resisting arrest he’s fighting them and he drops a gun. A cop sees it thinks he’s in danger and shoots. The guy played silly games and had a bad consequence that’s not murder
This one’s a little harder to say because we’ve got nothing but one side of the story to listen to. But it does seem to be evidence that this guy did not follow the lawful instructions of police and wasn’t a new very good vehicle. And that will get you killed and that’s just the way it is. Police have a right to defend himself
Which is why I claimed that what we should be doing is drilling home the message to people not to drive their vehicles at police or do anything other than follow the lawful instructions of the police officers and then let their lawyers handle it. If the protesters really want to do something positive they should be out there videotaping everything but also raising illegal defense fund said the moment somebody gets pinched their rights get protected by illegal team. And everybody should be told don’t do anything that’s going to result in a police officer fearing for his life legitimately or illegitimately. Playing with fire and the chances of something going wrong aren’t huge
I would bet money you haven’t watched the actual videos of the encounters from multiple angles.
Moreover, you’re not even considering folks that have died in their custody because they’re being treated so inhumanely in the USA’s concentration camp.
You’re on the wrong side of history here and you’ll realize it sooner or later.
Then you would lose money. Anything person watching the videos would real ize it was not in the way of the vehicle then the vehicle backed up and move forward directly at the officer who was struck. Sorry but at that point you’re getting shot and you have no right to complain. Don’t drive cars and police officers
No, I just can’t believe you can watch the same video(s) as me and your eyes don’t work. If you enjoy the taste of boot leather and making excuses for murder that’s between you and God. Still, it is antithetical to what the USA should stand for and strive to be as a more perfect nation.
If you’re eschewing objective reality for a blanket of lies that’s on you.
Don’t be surprised when other people who are witnessing the same events are actually looking at it and not projecting a false narrative.
I watch to see what’s happening. You watch to confirm your bias.
And I find that being honest and looking at the facts is actually more freeing and it is you and your kind to live under the boot. You must conform with your echo chambers stated position! But I can look at a video and see that a car move towards a police officer, struck a police officer, and that the person was shot because the police officer legitimately feared for their life and say that is pretty much how it’s supposed to work. The mistake there was for her to operate her vehicle and move it towards a police officer when she shouldn’t have. I’m perfectly prepared to believe she didn’t intend to kill him but the cop doesn’t know that and the moment you start driving your car at a police officer you’ve created a situation where they are going to have to fire on you or put their own life at risk for no reason
That is a sensible reasonable intelligent position. If That bothers you I don’t know what to say. But I do believe as I have stated that the correct response to this is to be going out and telling every single person if the police tell you to do something you listen and you follow their orders, and then raise massive amounts of money for a crack teams of lawyers to step in when this kind of thing happens and protect people’s rights and if the police have done something wrong then ensure that they are charged
But despite tons of other police agencies and various groups of all stripes looking at this no charges were laid and that’s because he didn’t do anything wrong. The situation is tragic and I won’t say that she deserve to get shot but getting shot was inevitable after what she did and I wish the message being sent was that people shouldn’t do what she did so that they don’t get shot
The false narrative here is yours. Which is why the deportations are still enjoying a reasonably High level of public support. Which isn’t to say that I agree with everything Isis doing or that I agree with the whole mass deportation concept in its entirety at all but the fact is they’re acting within their lawful authority and there is a process for addressing any wrongdoing they do and that process is not driving in vehicle out of cop and then complaining when you get shot to death
Tell me all about the democracies that were made better because the public decided assassinating the head of state is a perfectly acceptable option.
In fact that’s how the vast majority of fascist dictators managed to get power.
It is not okay to kill people, certainly not in a democracy where you can vote them in or out. I’m a little disappointed I’d even have to say that out loud
It wasn’t a democracy by the time he started causing trouble. If America stops being a democracy then you can talk about murder. But right now it’s still a democracy or at least democracy democratic representation
But like I said the left is all about violence hatred bigotry and the like right now. I know in your mind there’s no answer other than I should be allowed to kill orange man because Me no likee.
Elections in Italy were held until 1934. Mussolini was fine until then or something. China also has elections. As per your logic, they deserve all malfeasance from their state since they voted for it.
Trump is on borrowed time. The next in line is Vance. Both have been caused upset in global politics.
I have not made a violent claim against Trump in our interactions. May he live as long as he is capable. He is 80 years old. Vance will not be better for global politics. May the world weather this storm.
Good luck in Canada. I hope the 51st state rhetoric does not happen. If it does, I hope the conflict doesn’t kill you. I hope you live outside major cities and can avoid the deportations.
Lastly, anarchist do not lightly say, “No Gods, No Masters”. The state monopoly on violence must be decentralized. Stating the left is violent is like saying water is wet. Who are you trying to antagonize?
Not really no. If you need I can go back and explain the history to you but there were not democratic elections. China either. But the US definitely does have elections and they definitely can change a President quite easily.
If you don’t want Vance don’t vote for Vance. It’s that simple. If you’re worried that other people will vote for Vance then actually make an effort to find a legitimate democratic candidate who’s not an absolute pots or a giggling idiot or who actually has dementia.
That’s how democratic representation works…
And while you have not made a violent claim against trump you certainly aren’t speaking out against those who do and your attacks on me seem to suggest that you’re more okay with that behavior and with the murder of trump. Sorry but that is how it works. If someone likes a fire and another person litters and you’re standing in front of both of them and you say “Pick up that litter” You’re making a pretty strong statement that the fire isn’t your biggest concern
As for the 51st state stuff, america tried that once before and thought it would be an easy victory and we kicked your asses back across the line and burnt down your white house. Don’t kid yourself. It would not go well for the states. When hundreds of thousands of us could easily sneak across that border faster than a Mexican looking for a green card and we would blend in perfectly with your local communities and commit any number of terrorist acts, America would never know a day of peace again in its entire existence.
But if it makes you feel any better I do live outside of the one of the major metros at the moment :) It’s not hard we got a hell of a lot of land and our major metros are relatively small compared to the world stage.
There’s no attention. But the left is driven by violence hatred and bigotry at the moment. If you find that antagonizing then I’m afraid that’s going to be up to you to deal with
Will the USA does have a representational democracy. I mean no country has a true democracy and you wouldn’t want a true democracy. True democracy is the tyranny of the majority. A true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.
But the very idea of a representational democracy is that you can remove the leader and replace them without the need for violence. I guess some people just really like the idea of killing people they don’t like
We say shit from elementary school social studies textbooks because unfortunately that’s the level that our audience is operating at in your case :)
Sadly you didn’t understand the basics and you needed to explain to you. Seeing as I don’t actually have a whiteboard handy to help you through it it’s necessary to use simple and easy to understand concepts.
You still seem confused. Next time I’ll try and incorporate visual aids
These types just get more material, to get themselves off, if you interact with them. To anyone reading - just walk away, your time is too valuable to use for something like this. You do not need to be the one they think, while gooning.
I guess personal attacks are your way of coping with the fact you can’t refute what was said and you’re angry I was correct. Well if that makes you feel better or lets you sleep at night I guess you got to do what you got to do
I mean, you responded to the guy above you accusing them of doing all this stuff, but none of the things you accused them of doing was in the comment. There really wasn’t enough substance of your comment to able to respond in an academic way.
I’m happy to play your game though. Feel free to make a specific claim about why Trump is good with facts to back it up. Would you like to argue about how the Iran war has lowered or will lower gas prices?
All you’re doing is digging yourself deeper and making my argument for me. I have never said trump was good. It’s your hatred in bigotry that makes that assumption because I didn’t talk exactly the way that you want to hear people talk. If I don’t say exactly what you want to hear then I must be the enemy and I must think trump is good and I must kill babieswhatever the hell else is in your head. Oh and now I’m suddenly a proponent of the Iran War somehow ;)
If you were an honest person you would have asked me what I thought about trump or the Iran War and then commented on it. But in your mind every single person who doesn’t think like you must support and believe all of these other things there’s no in between.
Your account is barely a week old and you’ve managed to piss off a lot of people. It’s amazing that the left always gets blamed for the lack of progress when the right is constantly finding new ways to dismember progress as crudely and primitively as possible. If you don’t want the left to focus on bigotry, hatred, and violence, then you need to stop contributing to those issues and be an actual decent human being maybe we wouldn’t focus on it so much then 😉
The fact is it would appear around here that unless you tow the line and save the stuff the left likes to hear people will attack you pretty mercilessly. I didn’t really come here to be liked. I came here thinking that there would be opportunity for intelligent conversation. And it’s Canadian was appealed to me.
But what I’m finding is a lot of hatred bigotry and if you don’t say the left thing and you’ll be attacked
The right is not contributing to those issues, the right is reacting to the bigotry and hatred etc. Kamala harris is entire campaign was that everyone Who didn’t agree with her was a Nazi and of course giggling. Hillary tried the same thing. Even here if I say something that doesn’t jive with the accepted truths instead of people addressing the points or making a counter argument what you see is nothing but personal attacks and people like you show up to say I should be towing the line.
That’s not a problem with the right. That’s a problem with you and the rest of the people here who are on the left. I’m not launching into personal attacks when I reply to people yet you look at the number of personal attacks I’ve gotten just for stating facts which are true but aren’t to their liking
I guess that depends on your definition of facts. If you objectively observed human behavioral trends, where do you think you would see higher instances of racism, classism, bigotry, self-righteousness, sexism, and prejudice would lie? Or if we were to dig historically into the roots of those behaviors, or how pervasive to society they’ve been. I don’t think it’s down to intelligence, people can be very knowledgeable and capable of the most terrible things. People can understand very little about the world and still choose to say that their neighbor is a neighbor. Unfortunately, there are negative echo chambers that exist that perpetuate fear of the ‘other’ or the ‘unnatural’ or just…’it didn’t happen to me so I don’t believe it happened to you’ or ‘the way I fixed the issue was special because it was me but nobody else should be allowed to have it’.
What is intelligent conversation to you by the way? Is it a discussion of true, verifiable facts (via peer reviewed research, holistic historical accounts, etc.) or one of initially civil opinion until someone throws a tantrum because they can’t convert the other?
My definition of facts tends to be an objective, verifiable reality or truth that can be proven to exist or have occurred. But the problem is you run into isn’t the definition of facts. It’s that people interpret facts and then it becomes subjective not objective.
For example many on the left claim it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person. So once you allow that creative definition then the question of where is racism coming from becomes a subjective thing.
There’s little doubt in my mind that of the last several years the vast majority of hatred and bigotry sexism and other negative things of a similar nature come from the left. In this very thread we have people on the left actively hoping that a duly elected president gets killed. You don’t see that anywhere nearly the same from the right. A simple example.
Right wing websites or channels tend to allow any discussion and left when people are free to express their views. I just got banned from a channel on this forum for daring to suggest that the renegood shooting could legitimately be argued to be self-defense for the police officer. Way too controversial had to kick me off that channel. Didn’t say it rude or anything. I’m not calling you names here or saying you’re a bad person because I don’t share the same views as you although I think some of you views are Highly Questionable. And I address your points directly with reason. But take a look at the response to me in this thread
There ought to be a warning note at the door saying left wing views only or the like 😁
And to me, intelligent conversation centers around the idea of addressing the issues and points raised by the other person in a reasoned and logical way while respecting them even if they differ in one opinion, rather than focusing on attacking the person or using cheap debate techniques such as sea lioning.
I mean we’re having a reasonably intelligent conversation right now aren’t we? You’re not calling me a capitalist running dog ignorant Pig Nazi fascist who wants to see all puppies and little children dead, and I’m not calling you a democrat 😆 (BAWAAAHAHA sorry couldn’t help it)
people can disagree, even passionately, and still respect the other person’s opinion. And still respect the person. I don’t have to hate someone just because they think renee good was murdered and if you hate me because i think she wasn’t then there’s something wrong with you. (this is just an example btw, wasn’t stating how you feel about it).
But I think some things should be universally accepted and if they’re not then there’s really not a lot of basis for discussion. Murder is bad, but the left is really pushing the idea that it isn’t these days. Killing a democratically elected president is bad yet here we are looking at people begging for it to happen and this is hardly unusual
If we can’t even agree that murder is bad it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation doesn’t it
Entirely coherent and you should have a word with your English teacher if you think otherwise. But I guess if you can’t refute something then attacking the author and ad hominem attacks are really all you’ve got
I guess if you have no intelligent arguments and can’t rebut things that you didn’t like to hear then the easiest way to deal with it is just simply call people a troll. If that’s what helps you sleep at night then you go ahead. You don’t sound like the type that can afford therapy
No he literally is not. If you’re going to throw the word literally around you should probably mean it because it makes you look silly if you don’t. Trump is not a dictator. I receive fascist. I understand those are two words that Many on the left like to use because they sound really bad but it’s not accurate.
You can say he’s extremely authoritarian and he has tried to vest more of the power of the government into the office of the president. However you could say pretty much the same thing about Biden and definitely about obama and you can keep going from there. Presidents have been adding more power to the office for quite some time. And many have been extremely dictatorial.
But he’s not a dictator and he’s not a fascist. He ran on what he is doing and was elected based on that. If you want to blame someone for that blame come all harris we’re running a campaign which was basically half giggling and half calling everyone that disagreed with her Nazi. So in fairness she was given like 5 minutes to prepare her campaign.
There is enough wrong with trump that you don’t need to go over the top like that. Doing that is what turns people off and it’s why the democrats absolutely lost the election, or at least a major part of that
No, no, you misunderstand. There are systems in place (that are being severely tested) that prevent him from being the absolute dictator that he tries to be. Perhaps “he’s a wannabe dictator” might be more accurate. It’s not over the top and I don’t really care if you disagree.
Regarding Obama and Biden, yes, the US has a serious issue where recent presidents are ruling via executive order, this is not exclusive to Trump. This is also whataboutism and distracts from the point.
If someone is so blind that they can’t see reality for what it is, they’re already lost. Peace.
I don’t misunderstand anything. I can see clearly that you’re trying to change the goal posts because you realize what you said was inaccurate.
You claimed he was a dictator. I pointed out that he’s not. I agree that the system in place is what prevents that. But that’s not something we’ve discussed. Now you claim that I misunderstand this which is absolutely childish, I understand just fine.
I know it’s got nothing to do with what about isn’t. What about isn’t is where you trying to excuse bad behavior because somebody else did something different somewhere else that is also bad. What I’m talking about is this is the latest step in a long line of the same behavior. And if you didn’t speak up against it at the time you really can’t say anything now. If all trump is doing is what the president’s before him did and I’m not just saying democrats by the way then you can’t at this point argue that it’s some deep moral problem when you didn’t pipe up when other people were doing it
That’s not what about it, that’s precedent. You’ve allowed the president to be set and now you have to accept that. You can’t just complain when somebody who you don’t like does something you have to be consistent about complaining the whole way through and you weren’t and the democrats weren’t either. So here we are
When people from both sides stand up and complain about it regardless of losing power maybe something can change, but either way you can’t claim it’s a moral issue
Ation what? That was like four short paragraphs how is that too long… ohhhhh I forgot. You’re a left winger😏😏
I’ll keep it simple. If you do something that you don’t get to complain when somebody else does. Other than that the conversation gets way over your head it’s hard for me to translate Down to your level so we’ll have to leave it there
Is that okay? Some of those words were pretty big, let me know if you need me to explain them
No, I’m going to be nice here and not insult you like you did me, but I don’t think you aren’t worth arguing with and I’m not going to continue talking to you. Have a nice day :)
It would appear that you’re trying to suggest that talking about president is the same as whataboutism. It is not. It’s important to learn what words mean before using
He probably shouldn’t use words if you don’t know what they mean. What about is him refers to excusing bad behavior because somebody else did some other Behavior which is perceived as bad.
When you’re talking about the same behavior what you’re talking about is precedent. And that is an entirely valid thing to talk about. President A did this, President B did this; now that President C is doing it, you really can’t complain unless you also had a problem with President A and B doing it.
Whataboutism is something entirely different. Being wrong three times repetitively doesn’t make it any better. Go back and try again
You should understand the psychology behind this, which comes down to this paradox:
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
No that would be stupid. Perpetuating hatred and dividing people is not an effective way of bringing people together and I can’t believe you needed that explain to you
The best solution is sunlight. You openly talk about things and try and understand the other side’s point of view you try and get them to understand your point of view and then you see if there’s grounds for common understanding anywhere. But only a fool thinks that you can create peace and love by spreading hatred and violence
Are you fucking stupid? Their point of view is that people like me shouldn’t exist. I refuse to find common ground with fascists. They can all rot in the holes they’re digging.
I don’t know very many on the right to think that people like you shouldn’t exist. Of course I’m assuming by that you mean that you’re transgender. The vast majority that I’ve spoken to believe you should exist but they have problems with where your rights and their rights have conflict.
And they’re absolutely is tons of room for discussion there. But again you’re bringing nothing but hatred anger and bigotry to the table so your excuses some ridiculous nonsense about how they all hate you and want you to stop existing therefore that excuses you from having to do the right thing
On the contrary democracy is exactly what got america to where it is. And it was the attempts at repression of freedom that helped it all.
Kamala harris made trump look good. If you wanted to be angry about anything it should be that the democrats put such a crap candidate forward after lying about Biden being mentally on sound for at least 3 years, and then be mad at the republican for putting trump forward instead of a better candidate
The problem with democracy is it requires the people to do the right things for it to work and right now a lot of the people aren’t doing the right things they’re doing terrible things. They’re out there insisting that anyone that disagrees with them or is politically to the right of stalin is a Nazi Fascist dictator evil terrible person who kills babies and secretly wants your grandparents dead.
So the correct solution is to get the electorate talking. And I mean really talking not just attacking each other and deciding that if I don’t agree with your stance on one thing that means that you can now infer every other single thing I believe in life. There is common ground there can be common understandings and there can be accommodation then you can take the stuff that you can work on and work on it and take the other stuff where there’s absolutely no common ground and say let’s set that aside while we work on the stuff we can agree on
Shush or we will remove your right to vote. A vote that does not matter because it is a two party system. A two party system flooded with corporate cash because of the great freedoms. Electoral colleges are not democratic, barely fit for purpose from their inception, antiquated bullshittery now.
Yes yes lets not call people fascists or pedos despite how much evidence they provide.
The US is a joke, living beyond their means their whole existence telling everyone what to do. Look how great we are, ignore the growing debt thatd unrelated.
The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence
You understand that being democratic and being an assassin are mutually exclusive, right? Being democratic means you put all your chips in democracy, and trust the vote. Being an assassin is the opposite of that. Thus, assassins must come from the right. Make sense?
No that makes zero sense whatsoever. First off historically the left is always been the least interested in democracy. Do you see Stalin being terribly democratic? Or the Chinese? A lot of democracy going on in Venezuela?
Secondly if you referring to the name that’s just silly. Democrats can easily be democrats in name only the same way that the democratic Republic of North Korea is not a real democracy either
But what cannot be argued is that this very thread people were cheering for the deaths of Charlie Kirk, they were hoping and praying that there would be the death of an elected leader of this democracy. And that’s where we’re at and you can’t argue differently. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me
It is making sense. You have a concussion 😆😆Or you’re being ironic in which case the problem is what you’re saying is so close to the truth that it’s hard to tell that it’s irony
Sure, then the next time a democrats in we can kill them! Then the next republican! Then the next democrat! And maybe put a bullet in Obama just because! Right? That’s how freedom and democracy works
Crap like this and calling everyone a Nazis why you lost the election. The left has become focused on bigotry and hatred and violence. The way you get rid of trump isn’t by shooting him it’s by becoming normal healthy mentally sound people again and proposing reasonable and intelligent alternatives. Begging for someone to kill the leader of the country who was duly elected is not a sensible or sane alternative
You are right about the cycle of escalation. But what if I told you we are already on that path, we have just been waiting for the other guys to move first?
I would point out that there was very little evidence to support that. How many times was Obama shot at? How many times was Biden shot at? ( and he was a pretty slow moving target 😂) But left wing Shooters have tried to kill trump numerous times now. Research has shown that democrats and left-wing voters, especially the younger ones, are more likely to accept political violence.
At some point honest people have to put their foot down and say I don’t care what side is doing it this is unacceptable.
But you can see here that a number of posters have literally come right out and said they want to see more violence. The problem is there isn’t enough violence and we need to kill more people
You’re not seeing that on right wing boards. And you didn’t win Obama and Biden were in. If some nut job made that comment other right-wing people tend to step forward and say shut up that’s not how it works
I would point out that there has been TONS of political violence in the past year, mostly carried out by people with ICE on their vest.
Well then you’re pointing out something that simply a fabrication. Whether you agree with what ice is doing or not that violence is not political. They’re not arresting people because they’re democrats and they’re not shooting people because of how they vote. They’re arresting lawbreakers and shooting people who threaten their lives. You can argue entirely one way or another that the shooting was justified or not but you can’t argue that it was political
Whoa. Yeah, definitely done talking to you.
I understand, facts are scary and as far easier to run and stick your head in the ground then cope with them. You do you
Shut THE ACTUAL FUCK UP with your false equivalency BS. You deal with real, demonstrable fascists with bullets, Gramps proved that in WW2.
The French Used Guilutines
Hanging is also a popular option.
The left is interested in democracy but the people in power are not. We got this democracy through armed revolution, once, Maintained it thought a violent civil war (which the fascists lost AGAIN, if you are keeping score) so quit shutting down the idea. We try to avoid it, of course, but its ALWAYS ON THE TABLE.
NeoCon and red pickles. I like it.
OH dear, triggered leftie is triggered!
Sorry but he’s not a demonstrable fascist. You just don’t like it. But you don’t deal with any elected official with bullets. You just don’t.
I understand that your level you probably haven’t been exposed to much history but french aristocrats were not elected. Germany was not a democracy by the time the war broke out
But America is a democracy and the reason for a democracy is so that you don’t kill people to change governments
Based on your theory I should be allowed to kill anybody I disagree with right. Do you really think that’s a good idea?
As a right-wing person, I can with some authority say that there’s nothing exclusively leftist about wanting to kill fascists and fascist enablers.
That’s certainly true, but that’s not really the challenge. The challenge is that the left-wing people have taken to simply referring to anyone that they disagree with as being fascist. Or Nazis or whatever.
The left has taken this tactic where the first thing they do in any discussion or argument is dehumanize their opponent. They claim that the person is a subhuman of one type or another. Then they use this as an excuse to claim they don’t need to listen to that person and it’s okay to kill that person
It’s not okay and that’s absolutely horrific and absolutely no different than what the Nazis or the stalinists or any of the other mass murderers in history did
In fact nazis seem to like doing it a bunch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
Although for very diffrent reasons
This isn’t war. It’s PEST CONTROL. It’s not about disagreements. It’s about SELF DEFENSE at this point.
Also you’re clearly crazy as a psycopath but I do appreciate the doctor who reference😉
Sure. Whatever you feel justifies your anger hatred bigotry and violence. It’s kind of the lefts thing now
Dude tries to steal an election, gets caught dead to rights with an audio leak, leads an attempted coup on the day he’s supposed to transfer power, gets reelected and proceeds to kidnap and assassinate foreign leaders, while taking each and every opportunity to express how much he wants to stay for a third and illegal term, and you think the biggest problem is the people who don’t like him.
Keep it up. Your country will smoulder, but i’m sure you’ll find some new nonsensical bullshit to make you feel smug enough to vote for it.
I’m Canadian bud, I’m just watching the freak show. I don’t even particularly like trump
But once again what you said is radically untrue but you put it forward as the truth and that’s what costs the democrats and the left elections. Trump absolutely try to use a legal loophole to take an election away from legitimate winner because he was convinced that there was some species of fraud that he couldn’t prove. That is absolutely a thing that happened but trying to say he stole it is a little bit different.
And he did not lead an attempted coup that’s just absolutely nonsense.
And as far as kidnapping and killing foreign leaders ago, I will point out that virtually every president in history has done that 😆😆😆 Remember when Obama was doing the victory lapse and the radio circuits and high-fiving everyone because he killed Bin Laden in a country that he had no permission to be in? But you’re fine with it then but now we’re all supposed to be hugely morally upset because someone you don’t like has done the same thing. It’s not even the first time the US has killed an Iranian leader but no issue before, now it’s the worst thing anybody could possibly do.
If hypocrisy could be used to produce power you sir could end global warming.
Trump won’t be staying in for a third term. Everybody knows it he just likes trolling you. But you use it as an excuse to justify your own bad behavior.
Someone better tell the court: https://naacp.org/articles/january-6th-civil-case-against-trump-advances
Do you know how to get in touch with Trump’s lawyers to let him know that they don’t have to worry about this anymore?
Did the court rule that it was a coup? No? So you were lying? Well there you go
And I don’t have to get in touch with trump’s lawyers they seem to be well aware that he’s not in trouble anymore.
Call me when to court actually rules he led a coup. It’s never going to happen
Fuck off. You’re the problem.
I assume you’re talking to a mirror. Give him hell big guy!😂
ICE literally killing people in the streets.
Meanwhile, you’re upset the commander in chief of a military engaged in offensive operations against multiple nations has a target on his head?
With what Trump has done and whom he has enabled - the man deserves death.
Preferably the same way the Persians dealt with the last guy who had a “thirst” for gold.
Oh and I’m actually upset that somebody suggested that it was okay to kill the president and somebody should hurry up and do it. Yeah I hate to break it to you but that’s a bad thing. Killing the elected leader of a democracy is a Bad Thing. If you actually need that explain to you that I don’t know what to tell you but you’ve got no moral stance to talk about anyone else being killed
Kind of like how Trump assassinated Khamenei? Or how he assassinated Solemeini?
Big shocker that they want him dead.
Or like how obama killed Bin Laden. Or slaughtered dozens and dozens of political leaders in that part of the world
You want to pretend that it’s okay when your guy does it but then it’s not when someone you don’t like doesn’t. That hypocrisy doesn’t fly
Uhh, what is your actual argument? You seem confused as to where you are.
Why do you think I’d give a shit about Obama and Bin Laden? We were talking specifically about Iran. And you seemed surprised that they’d want our President dead. I was pointing out several reasons why.
Keep up.
Wow look at you panic when your hypocrisy is pointed out 😁😂😂
Here’s how it works kid. If every president does it and you only complain when a president you don’t like does it then you have no right to complain
What hypocrisy? Where did I ever say that it was OK for us to do any of that?
I was simply pointing out that it’s a non sequitur. it has literally nothing to do with what we were talking about.
What are you basing your assumption that I only complain when Trump does it on? Because it’s fucking wrong.
Sounds right to me and I’m still not hearing you actually condemning any of that stuff. Typical
People on the left complain ALL the time about drone strike obama tf u mean?
Actually they don’t. And they didn’t complain about osama etc etc
Which is fine, I’m sure that individual people on both sides have individual opinions about those things and not everything popular with everyone etc but at the end of the day it was entirely tolerated by the left. And that establishes a precedent, and then the precedent is then used by following presidents of either political stripe
And this is a running theme. Over the last 15 years or so there have been a number of things which have escalated beyond their normal status Which the left has been silent about only to find the same things used against them at which point they Complain. at that point is too late.
nobody likes that jackass anymore. He’s only being protected because of protocol at this point.
Quite a few people seem to like him, or at least more than the democrats which is a frighting commentary on THEIR situation. I know he’s being protected because sane and normal people understand it’s not okay to kill politicians just because you don’t like them and a democracy
Ice is literally killing people in self-defense when they perceive a threat. Today I haven’t seen anything that suggests something else is happening and neither have there been any charges. And a cool good killing is pretty much cut and dry, she hit the guy with the car after being ordered to stop. The next guy that got killed is a little bit more tragic because there’s no indication he was actually trying to kill a cop but he’s resisting arrest he’s fighting them and he drops a gun. A cop sees it thinks he’s in danger and shoots. The guy played silly games and had a bad consequence that’s not murder
This one’s a little harder to say because we’ve got nothing but one side of the story to listen to. But it does seem to be evidence that this guy did not follow the lawful instructions of police and wasn’t a new very good vehicle. And that will get you killed and that’s just the way it is. Police have a right to defend himself
Which is why I claimed that what we should be doing is drilling home the message to people not to drive their vehicles at police or do anything other than follow the lawful instructions of the police officers and then let their lawyers handle it. If the protesters really want to do something positive they should be out there videotaping everything but also raising illegal defense fund said the moment somebody gets pinched their rights get protected by illegal team. And everybody should be told don’t do anything that’s going to result in a police officer fearing for his life legitimately or illegitimately. Playing with fire and the chances of something going wrong aren’t huge
I would bet money you haven’t watched the actual videos of the encounters from multiple angles.
Moreover, you’re not even considering folks that have died in their custody because they’re being treated so inhumanely in the USA’s concentration camp.
You’re on the wrong side of history here and you’ll realize it sooner or later.
Then you would lose money. Anything person watching the videos would real ize it was not in the way of the vehicle then the vehicle backed up and move forward directly at the officer who was struck. Sorry but at that point you’re getting shot and you have no right to complain. Don’t drive cars and police officers
Oh you’re a fucking moron I see
awwww muffin, Did you miss nap time again? 😂😂 Not like I was expecting an intelligent response from you or anything so…
No, I just can’t believe you can watch the same video(s) as me and your eyes don’t work. If you enjoy the taste of boot leather and making excuses for murder that’s between you and God. Still, it is antithetical to what the USA should stand for and strive to be as a more perfect nation.
If you’re eschewing objective reality for a blanket of lies that’s on you.
Don’t be surprised when other people who are witnessing the same events are actually looking at it and not projecting a false narrative.
I watch to see what’s happening. You watch to confirm your bias.
And I find that being honest and looking at the facts is actually more freeing and it is you and your kind to live under the boot. You must conform with your echo chambers stated position! But I can look at a video and see that a car move towards a police officer, struck a police officer, and that the person was shot because the police officer legitimately feared for their life and say that is pretty much how it’s supposed to work. The mistake there was for her to operate her vehicle and move it towards a police officer when she shouldn’t have. I’m perfectly prepared to believe she didn’t intend to kill him but the cop doesn’t know that and the moment you start driving your car at a police officer you’ve created a situation where they are going to have to fire on you or put their own life at risk for no reason
That is a sensible reasonable intelligent position. If That bothers you I don’t know what to say. But I do believe as I have stated that the correct response to this is to be going out and telling every single person if the police tell you to do something you listen and you follow their orders, and then raise massive amounts of money for a crack teams of lawyers to step in when this kind of thing happens and protect people’s rights and if the police have done something wrong then ensure that they are charged
But despite tons of other police agencies and various groups of all stripes looking at this no charges were laid and that’s because he didn’t do anything wrong. The situation is tragic and I won’t say that she deserve to get shot but getting shot was inevitable after what she did and I wish the message being sent was that people shouldn’t do what she did so that they don’t get shot
The false narrative here is yours. Which is why the deportations are still enjoying a reasonably High level of public support. Which isn’t to say that I agree with everything Isis doing or that I agree with the whole mass deportation concept in its entirety at all but the fact is they’re acting within their lawful authority and there is a process for addressing any wrongdoing they do and that process is not driving in vehicle out of cop and then complaining when you get shot to death
Kill yourself.
Oh dear, did you drop your binky again? Hang in there little guy
Oh no, you’ve bested me in a battle of wits.
I’m sure you felt it was a battle
Its always funny when the right pretends to care about bigotry hatred and violence.
It’s always funny when the left pretends that they’re not the biggest source of bigotry hatred and violence
Wow. Intellectual giant right here, folks.
Well nobody’s going to say the same thing about you that’s for sure
OH NO I’VE BEEN DESTROYED
Based on your personality and intellect, it CAN’T have been the first time. Or even the first time today
“I’m rubber and you’re glue” is really the argument your are gonna stick with? Good luck with that.
You always want to write for the intellect of your audience.
Tell me about all the fascist dictators who have stepped down, because their opposition took the high road and preached love.
Tell me all about the democracies that were made better because the public decided assassinating the head of state is a perfectly acceptable option. In fact that’s how the vast majority of fascist dictators managed to get power.
It is not okay to kill people, certainly not in a democracy where you can vote them in or out. I’m a little disappointed I’d even have to say that out loud
Italy was better off without the democratically elected Mussolini.
It wasn’t a democracy by the time he started causing trouble. If America stops being a democracy then you can talk about murder. But right now it’s still a democracy or at least democracy democratic representation
But like I said the left is all about violence hatred bigotry and the like right now. I know in your mind there’s no answer other than I should be allowed to kill orange man because Me no likee.
Elections in Italy were held until 1934. Mussolini was fine until then or something. China also has elections. As per your logic, they deserve all malfeasance from their state since they voted for it.
Trump is on borrowed time. The next in line is Vance. Both have been caused upset in global politics.
I have not made a violent claim against Trump in our interactions. May he live as long as he is capable. He is 80 years old. Vance will not be better for global politics. May the world weather this storm.
Good luck in Canada. I hope the 51st state rhetoric does not happen. If it does, I hope the conflict doesn’t kill you. I hope you live outside major cities and can avoid the deportations.
Lastly, anarchist do not lightly say, “No Gods, No Masters”. The state monopoly on violence must be decentralized. Stating the left is violent is like saying water is wet. Who are you trying to antagonize?
Not really no. If you need I can go back and explain the history to you but there were not democratic elections. China either. But the US definitely does have elections and they definitely can change a President quite easily.
If you don’t want Vance don’t vote for Vance. It’s that simple. If you’re worried that other people will vote for Vance then actually make an effort to find a legitimate democratic candidate who’s not an absolute pots or a giggling idiot or who actually has dementia.
That’s how democratic representation works…
And while you have not made a violent claim against trump you certainly aren’t speaking out against those who do and your attacks on me seem to suggest that you’re more okay with that behavior and with the murder of trump. Sorry but that is how it works. If someone likes a fire and another person litters and you’re standing in front of both of them and you say “Pick up that litter” You’re making a pretty strong statement that the fire isn’t your biggest concern
As for the 51st state stuff, america tried that once before and thought it would be an easy victory and we kicked your asses back across the line and burnt down your white house. Don’t kid yourself. It would not go well for the states. When hundreds of thousands of us could easily sneak across that border faster than a Mexican looking for a green card and we would blend in perfectly with your local communities and commit any number of terrorist acts, America would never know a day of peace again in its entire existence.
But if it makes you feel any better I do live outside of the one of the major metros at the moment :) It’s not hard we got a hell of a lot of land and our major metros are relatively small compared to the world stage.
There’s no attention. But the left is driven by violence hatred and bigotry at the moment. If you find that antagonizing then I’m afraid that’s going to be up to you to deal with
That’s assuming USA has democracy.
Will the USA does have a representational democracy. I mean no country has a true democracy and you wouldn’t want a true democracy. True democracy is the tyranny of the majority. A true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.
But the very idea of a representational democracy is that you can remove the leader and replace them without the need for violence. I guess some people just really like the idea of killing people they don’t like
This is what happens when conservatives think they’re intelligent.
You get people smugly saying shit from elementary school social studies textbooks as if they’re some kind of fucking genius.
WHOAAAAAAAAA
We say shit from elementary school social studies textbooks because unfortunately that’s the level that our audience is operating at in your case :)
Sadly you didn’t understand the basics and you needed to explain to you. Seeing as I don’t actually have a whiteboard handy to help you through it it’s necessary to use simple and easy to understand concepts.
You still seem confused. Next time I’ll try and incorporate visual aids
I guess there are brainwashed MAGAts on Lemmy too :'(
Stupid around every corner.
These types just get more material, to get themselves off, if you interact with them. To anyone reading - just walk away, your time is too valuable to use for something like this. You do not need to be the one they think, while gooning.
I guess personal attacks are your way of coping with the fact you can’t refute what was said and you’re angry I was correct. Well if that makes you feel better or lets you sleep at night I guess you got to do what you got to do
I mean, you responded to the guy above you accusing them of doing all this stuff, but none of the things you accused them of doing was in the comment. There really wasn’t enough substance of your comment to able to respond in an academic way.
I’m happy to play your game though. Feel free to make a specific claim about why Trump is good with facts to back it up. Would you like to argue about how the Iran war has lowered or will lower gas prices?
All you’re doing is digging yourself deeper and making my argument for me. I have never said trump was good. It’s your hatred in bigotry that makes that assumption because I didn’t talk exactly the way that you want to hear people talk. If I don’t say exactly what you want to hear then I must be the enemy and I must think trump is good and I must kill babieswhatever the hell else is in your head. Oh and now I’m suddenly a proponent of the Iran War somehow ;)
If you were an honest person you would have asked me what I thought about trump or the Iran War and then commented on it. But in your mind every single person who doesn’t think like you must support and believe all of these other things there’s no in between.
This is precisely what I’m talking about.
Nobody wants you here.
You might think you want the negative attention, but I hope you fucking choke on it.
WOW, that answer isn’t full of hatred anger and bigotry at all 😆😆 how very fascist of you
Yeah, that’s not what fascism means. Guess I can’t say I’m surprised that you’re so confused about everything.
It is by today’s standards, but it is hilarious to watch you flail around when you realize what you’ve done and try and pass it off 😆😆
Your account is barely a week old and you’ve managed to piss off a lot of people. It’s amazing that the left always gets blamed for the lack of progress when the right is constantly finding new ways to dismember progress as crudely and primitively as possible. If you don’t want the left to focus on bigotry, hatred, and violence, then you need to stop contributing to those issues and be an actual decent human being maybe we wouldn’t focus on it so much then 😉
The fact is it would appear around here that unless you tow the line and save the stuff the left likes to hear people will attack you pretty mercilessly. I didn’t really come here to be liked. I came here thinking that there would be opportunity for intelligent conversation. And it’s Canadian was appealed to me.
But what I’m finding is a lot of hatred bigotry and if you don’t say the left thing and you’ll be attacked
The right is not contributing to those issues, the right is reacting to the bigotry and hatred etc. Kamala harris is entire campaign was that everyone Who didn’t agree with her was a Nazi and of course giggling. Hillary tried the same thing. Even here if I say something that doesn’t jive with the accepted truths instead of people addressing the points or making a counter argument what you see is nothing but personal attacks and people like you show up to say I should be towing the line.
That’s not a problem with the right. That’s a problem with you and the rest of the people here who are on the left. I’m not launching into personal attacks when I reply to people yet you look at the number of personal attacks I’ve gotten just for stating facts which are true but aren’t to their liking
I guess that depends on your definition of facts. If you objectively observed human behavioral trends, where do you think you would see higher instances of racism, classism, bigotry, self-righteousness, sexism, and prejudice would lie? Or if we were to dig historically into the roots of those behaviors, or how pervasive to society they’ve been. I don’t think it’s down to intelligence, people can be very knowledgeable and capable of the most terrible things. People can understand very little about the world and still choose to say that their neighbor is a neighbor. Unfortunately, there are negative echo chambers that exist that perpetuate fear of the ‘other’ or the ‘unnatural’ or just…’it didn’t happen to me so I don’t believe it happened to you’ or ‘the way I fixed the issue was special because it was me but nobody else should be allowed to have it’.
What is intelligent conversation to you by the way? Is it a discussion of true, verifiable facts (via peer reviewed research, holistic historical accounts, etc.) or one of initially civil opinion until someone throws a tantrum because they can’t convert the other?
My definition of facts tends to be an objective, verifiable reality or truth that can be proven to exist or have occurred. But the problem is you run into isn’t the definition of facts. It’s that people interpret facts and then it becomes subjective not objective.
For example many on the left claim it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person. So once you allow that creative definition then the question of where is racism coming from becomes a subjective thing.
There’s little doubt in my mind that of the last several years the vast majority of hatred and bigotry sexism and other negative things of a similar nature come from the left. In this very thread we have people on the left actively hoping that a duly elected president gets killed. You don’t see that anywhere nearly the same from the right. A simple example.
Right wing websites or channels tend to allow any discussion and left when people are free to express their views. I just got banned from a channel on this forum for daring to suggest that the renegood shooting could legitimately be argued to be self-defense for the police officer. Way too controversial had to kick me off that channel. Didn’t say it rude or anything. I’m not calling you names here or saying you’re a bad person because I don’t share the same views as you although I think some of you views are Highly Questionable. And I address your points directly with reason. But take a look at the response to me in this thread
There ought to be a warning note at the door saying left wing views only or the like 😁
And to me, intelligent conversation centers around the idea of addressing the issues and points raised by the other person in a reasoned and logical way while respecting them even if they differ in one opinion, rather than focusing on attacking the person or using cheap debate techniques such as sea lioning.
I mean we’re having a reasonably intelligent conversation right now aren’t we? You’re not calling me a capitalist running dog ignorant Pig Nazi fascist who wants to see all puppies and little children dead, and I’m not calling you a democrat 😆 (BAWAAAHAHA sorry couldn’t help it)
people can disagree, even passionately, and still respect the other person’s opinion. And still respect the person. I don’t have to hate someone just because they think renee good was murdered and if you hate me because i think she wasn’t then there’s something wrong with you. (this is just an example btw, wasn’t stating how you feel about it).
But I think some things should be universally accepted and if they’re not then there’s really not a lot of basis for discussion. Murder is bad, but the left is really pushing the idea that it isn’t these days. Killing a democratically elected president is bad yet here we are looking at people begging for it to happen and this is hardly unusual
If we can’t even agree that murder is bad it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation doesn’t it
youve spent too long in the maga echo chamber. youre repeating absolutely nonsense talking points.
If that were true you’d have no trouble refusing it. But you can’t so personal attacks and that homonyms are your only choice.
We have zero responsibility to you to spend time disproving your old ass bullshit.
You’re not clever. Nothing you’re saying is original.
So instead you’ll spend time telling me about how you don’t have time?
Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds??
Literally incoherent. Have you ever read anything that wasn’t a social media post?
Entirely coherent and you should have a word with your English teacher if you think otherwise. But I guess if you can’t refute something then attacking the author and ad hominem attacks are really all you’ve got
Asking if you’ve read a book is only ad hominem if you’re little fucking piss baby.
Okay, lying definitely makes it better on your part
The phrase is “toe the line,” pseudo-intellectual right wing dumbass.
Your ideas don’t matter. You don’t matter.
aww muffin. Have a cookie and a nap; you’ll be fine
Guys, he’s got us here. There’s just no way to respond to this come back. We’re cooked.
I’ve already registered republican.
That seems like you’re not being honest. In which case you’re probably better off staying democrat 😂😂
Ah OK, so you’re just a troll. Got it.
I don’t think even actual Repubilcans pretend that their party is honest anymore.
I guess if you have no intelligent arguments and can’t rebut things that you didn’t like to hear then the easiest way to deal with it is just simply call people a troll. If that’s what helps you sleep at night then you go ahead. You don’t sound like the type that can afford therapy
Trump is literally a fascist dictator lmao. You’re fighting the wrong fight.
No he literally is not. If you’re going to throw the word literally around you should probably mean it because it makes you look silly if you don’t. Trump is not a dictator. I receive fascist. I understand those are two words that Many on the left like to use because they sound really bad but it’s not accurate.
You can say he’s extremely authoritarian and he has tried to vest more of the power of the government into the office of the president. However you could say pretty much the same thing about Biden and definitely about obama and you can keep going from there. Presidents have been adding more power to the office for quite some time. And many have been extremely dictatorial.
But he’s not a dictator and he’s not a fascist. He ran on what he is doing and was elected based on that. If you want to blame someone for that blame come all harris we’re running a campaign which was basically half giggling and half calling everyone that disagreed with her Nazi. So in fairness she was given like 5 minutes to prepare her campaign.
There is enough wrong with trump that you don’t need to go over the top like that. Doing that is what turns people off and it’s why the democrats absolutely lost the election, or at least a major part of that
No, no, you misunderstand. There are systems in place (that are being severely tested) that prevent him from being the absolute dictator that he tries to be. Perhaps “he’s a wannabe dictator” might be more accurate. It’s not over the top and I don’t really care if you disagree.
Regarding Obama and Biden, yes, the US has a serious issue where recent presidents are ruling via executive order, this is not exclusive to Trump. This is also whataboutism and distracts from the point.
If someone is so blind that they can’t see reality for what it is, they’re already lost. Peace.
I don’t misunderstand anything. I can see clearly that you’re trying to change the goal posts because you realize what you said was inaccurate. You claimed he was a dictator. I pointed out that he’s not. I agree that the system in place is what prevents that. But that’s not something we’ve discussed. Now you claim that I misunderstand this which is absolutely childish, I understand just fine.
I know it’s got nothing to do with what about isn’t. What about isn’t is where you trying to excuse bad behavior because somebody else did something different somewhere else that is also bad. What I’m talking about is this is the latest step in a long line of the same behavior. And if you didn’t speak up against it at the time you really can’t say anything now. If all trump is doing is what the president’s before him did and I’m not just saying democrats by the way then you can’t at this point argue that it’s some deep moral problem when you didn’t pipe up when other people were doing it
That’s not what about it, that’s precedent. You’ve allowed the president to be set and now you have to accept that. You can’t just complain when somebody who you don’t like does something you have to be consistent about complaining the whole way through and you weren’t and the democrats weren’t either. So here we are
When people from both sides stand up and complain about it regardless of losing power maybe something can change, but either way you can’t claim it’s a moral issue
tldr
Ation what? That was like four short paragraphs how is that too long… ohhhhh I forgot. You’re a left winger😏😏
I’ll keep it simple. If you do something that you don’t get to complain when somebody else does. Other than that the conversation gets way over your head it’s hard for me to translate Down to your level so we’ll have to leave it there
Is that okay? Some of those words were pretty big, let me know if you need me to explain them
No, I’m going to be nice here and not insult you like you did me, but I don’t think you aren’t worth arguing with and I’m not going to continue talking to you. Have a nice day :)
So it was still too long huh? Well you have a good day too
Whataboutbiden
Whataboutobama
Whataboutharris
What about them?
It would appear that you’re trying to suggest that talking about president is the same as whataboutism. It is not. It’s important to learn what words mean before using
He probably shouldn’t use words if you don’t know what they mean. What about is him refers to excusing bad behavior because somebody else did some other Behavior which is perceived as bad.
When you’re talking about the same behavior what you’re talking about is precedent. And that is an entirely valid thing to talk about. President A did this, President B did this; now that President C is doing it, you really can’t complain unless you also had a problem with President A and B doing it.
Whataboutism is something entirely different. Being wrong three times repetitively doesn’t make it any better. Go back and try again
You should understand the psychology behind this, which comes down to this paradox:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
The only good solution to stop intolerance is to be intolerant against those who preach intolerance, like Trump and other regimes.
No that would be stupid. Perpetuating hatred and dividing people is not an effective way of bringing people together and I can’t believe you needed that explain to you
The best solution is sunlight. You openly talk about things and try and understand the other side’s point of view you try and get them to understand your point of view and then you see if there’s grounds for common understanding anywhere. But only a fool thinks that you can create peace and love by spreading hatred and violence
Are you fucking stupid? Their point of view is that people like me shouldn’t exist. I refuse to find common ground with fascists. They can all rot in the holes they’re digging.
I don’t know very many on the right to think that people like you shouldn’t exist. Of course I’m assuming by that you mean that you’re transgender. The vast majority that I’ve spoken to believe you should exist but they have problems with where your rights and their rights have conflict.
And they’re absolutely is tons of room for discussion there. But again you’re bringing nothing but hatred anger and bigotry to the table so your excuses some ridiculous nonsense about how they all hate you and want you to stop existing therefore that excuses you from having to do the right thing
Yeesh.
You’re a fucking liar.
I am 100% accurate and the only reason you think differently is because you’re full of bigotry and hatred and they’re behaving like a terrible person.
Congratulations!
Your response is the most absurd thing I’ve read today!
No rebuttal no intelligent reply just cheesy insults. Well there you go. I guess it’s hard to argue with the truth
It appears I spoke too soon.
Why, did you just reread your post?
Neither freedom nor democracy got America to where it is. A joke of a system.
On the contrary democracy is exactly what got america to where it is. And it was the attempts at repression of freedom that helped it all.
Kamala harris made trump look good. If you wanted to be angry about anything it should be that the democrats put such a crap candidate forward after lying about Biden being mentally on sound for at least 3 years, and then be mad at the republican for putting trump forward instead of a better candidate
The problem with democracy is it requires the people to do the right things for it to work and right now a lot of the people aren’t doing the right things they’re doing terrible things. They’re out there insisting that anyone that disagrees with them or is politically to the right of stalin is a Nazi Fascist dictator evil terrible person who kills babies and secretly wants your grandparents dead.
So the correct solution is to get the electorate talking. And I mean really talking not just attacking each other and deciding that if I don’t agree with your stance on one thing that means that you can now infer every other single thing I believe in life. There is common ground there can be common understandings and there can be accommodation then you can take the stuff that you can work on and work on it and take the other stuff where there’s absolutely no common ground and say let’s set that aside while we work on the stuff we can agree on
Shush or we will remove your right to vote. A vote that does not matter because it is a two party system. A two party system flooded with corporate cash because of the great freedoms. Electoral colleges are not democratic, barely fit for purpose from their inception, antiquated bullshittery now.
Yes yes lets not call people fascists or pedos despite how much evidence they provide.
The US is a joke, living beyond their means their whole existence telling everyone what to do. Look how great we are, ignore the growing debt thatd unrelated.
Lol, lmao even
Welcome to the blocklist 🙂
Sticking your head in the sand because you can’t refute something that you didn’t want to hear is definitely not uncommon these days. Have at it
You understand that being democratic and being an assassin are mutually exclusive, right? Being democratic means you put all your chips in democracy, and trust the vote. Being an assassin is the opposite of that. Thus, assassins must come from the right. Make sense?
No that makes zero sense whatsoever. First off historically the left is always been the least interested in democracy. Do you see Stalin being terribly democratic? Or the Chinese? A lot of democracy going on in Venezuela?
Secondly if you referring to the name that’s just silly. Democrats can easily be democrats in name only the same way that the democratic Republic of North Korea is not a real democracy either
But what cannot be argued is that this very thread people were cheering for the deaths of Charlie Kirk, they were hoping and praying that there would be the death of an elected leader of this democracy. And that’s where we’re at and you can’t argue differently. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me
Exactly, wishing death is not democratic, thus those wishes MUST be coming from the right. Make sense yet?
It is making sense. You have a concussion 😆😆Or you’re being ironic in which case the problem is what you’re saying is so close to the truth that it’s hard to tell that it’s irony