Full Self-Driving (Supervised)
So not actually FULL anything and Tesla should be held accountable for creating safety issues due to false advertising.
The driver is to blame for their actions, but not the only one to blame.
Working Pedals (mostly)
Attached steering wheel (kind of)
Wheels may fall off: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/tesla-recalls-cybertruck-because-wheels-may-fall-off/
Wheels May Fall Off (will fall off)
the driver of a Tesla who crashed into a house in June had pressed the accelerator pedal to 100%, overriding the company’s Full Self-Driving (Supervised) software.
Yes the naming convention is dumb but it wasn’t at fault here.
Can we trust that pedal didn’t malfunction this time and was actually pressed?
If it’s anything like the e-pedals user in Subaru and Honda vehicles, they have two different independent position sensors in the pedal. The ecu monitors both, and the value from both must match. If there is a discrepancy, is uses the lower value or zero. So it’s extremely unlikely the pedal could malfunction in a way to show 100% pressed.
But I don’t know if Tesla does the same.
Drive-by-wire cars should all have two position sensors for the pedal. Teslas should have it too.
Even if that was the case, the driver should’ve pressed the brakes which would’ve overrode the accelerator.
Are you suggesting the system should ignore full pedal press?
I think it is very clear from what they wrote that they want Tesla’s advertising practices, such as calling their driver aids “Full Self-Driving” to stop, since it creates a false impression.
Ah, so just botching in general and not at all related to the article in someone died.
If I want crass, I’ll go to Facebook.
There’s a fair presence of free thinkers on Lemmy, I’m certain more than on Reddit, but still plenty of those looking to get some upvotes by regurgitating prevailing opinions when applicable.
Lemmy never lets silly things like “relevance” get in the way of their hate boners.
Nor can they handle critism.
Tiny little egos with low emotional intelligence and no desire to grow, just point fingers and whine.
Who is “they” on a decentralised platform?
Who is being crass now?
I think you’re telling us more about yourself than anything else.
Not at all and I have no idea how you got from ‘this name is misleading in a dangerous way’ to suggesting it work differently.
No, I get it. You could resist the opportunity.
I sure the victim and her family appreciates you guys using her death to drag Tesla despite being on a platform where almost everyone is in agreement.
It’s more related to the term “Full Self Driving”. It implies that the car is it’s own driver and therefore, that you are a passenger. A driver needs to always have control, even if some passenger messes with the pedals because he fell asleep.
I don’t trust anything that makes Tesla look innocent. This administration is too full of fucking shit and bending over backwards too far to tongue musks asshole already I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked to hear that NTSB is fully fucking compromised and corrupt as fuck.
I’m going to frame this comment and submit it to this article:
The guy literally had a google history asking how to make his Tesla go faster
‘The family of the victim has since sued the alleged driver.’
Sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. You can’t be accused of driving. It’s not ‘alleged.’
In journalism, legalese is often necessary.
It is though. Yes there was a driver, yes they maybe the driver but in a court you have to prove they were the driver. Yeah it might be as easy as “they were in driver seat of the accident scene”. But let’s say evidence is only they were seen on a traffic camera 15 minute earlier, well they could of swapped seats or they could of been dropped off somewhere. You nor I don’t know the answers to these questions and we shouldn’t speculate, it should be proven in court.
Are you driving if your car is on autopilot?
Legally, yes. I’m pretty sure a pilot is still responsible for their aircraft while the autopilot is engaged, too.
Shouldn’t the so-called smart technology pick up on the fact that you are driving full speed into a house? Is that not an easy error to avoid?
I mean, I think the reasons that automated systems should allow for overrides by human operators should be pretty apparent.
I might have to drive over highwaymen, or dodge between 30 or 40 wild boar. I don’t need Asimov’s first law of robotics to confuse my car and make life or death decisions for me.
It’s a skill issue on the driver’s part… or do you want the Tesla to come to a screeching halt on the highway every time the cameras white out from the sun?
I want vehicles that rely on cameras for detecting obstacles to be banned.
Anything that uses reasonable object detection methods should be banned if it lets you drive into a house. My Kia won’t let me drive into a house.
This is the system that’s meant to drive the car autonomously?
Autopilot will let a plane fly a heading, or even follow waypoints and land, but you the pilot still have to be watching the sky and the plane, ready to take over when something goes wrong. And airlines have way more stringent safety measures than cars.
That means auto drive systems still require the meatsack to monitor the driving, ready to take over when something goes wrong.
In this case, either the driver was hooning it and did a full send into the house, or he had a skill issue and put the
brakeaccelerator to the floor in a panic moment.Right so if autopilot swerves into oncoming traffic faster than the driver can react, that’s the drivers fault? The creators of the software never have any culpability in your eyes?
Personally, I want cars that automate driving to use more than one type of sensor so that they react more realistically in more circumstances. Tesla going camera-only was a mistake and Elon just keeps doubling down on it.
I’d want it to not use sensors that get washed out by the sun. IR lidar, for example, instead of naive visible light cameras.
I didn’t have FSD, but this is pretty much what cruise control / lane assist did.
With how all cars are connected these days, we could easily throttle them using GPS data depending on the road you’re on. I don’t really get why cars can even go so fast in general, max should be twenty over the highway limit.
Nobody really wants that though I’m guessing.
When you car slams on the brakes suddenly because it thinks you’re suddenly driving on the jog road next to the highway, don’t complain to me.
The same applies to stopping it from driving full speed into a house. Hence why I said most don’t want that. Some clear drawbacks.
That being said, putting a max speed that is only a bit above highway speed is an easy win imo.
Slamming the brakes on the highway because either map data is incorrect, it misread a sign, or GNSS is misplacing the car is not a drawback, it’s a massive fucking safety hazard.
A massive safety hazard is a clear drawback…
No a drawback would be a minor nuisance. You can live with a drawback. That would not be a minor nuisance and definitely not something you could live with.
You are arguing semantics and aren’t even right about it. A drawback can be minor or major. We are in agreement but your being silly about the words I use even though they are completely valid. You might want a synonym that’s harsher but that doesn’t make the use of the word wrong.
I’m basically saying it’s a problem and you are going “no fool, it’s a really really big problem”, like no shit, that’s what I said. I even added the word clear to show that’s it’s not a small drawback but a major one.
The same applies to stopping it from driving full speed into a house.
It really really really doesn’t
If the car can’t be trusted to know if it’s on the highway or a residential street, it can’t be trusted to know if it’s on the highway or on a residential street in front of a house.
I don’t know what system would work for one but not the other.
I mean why put limits on roads if we let cars ignore them anyway?
How can one trust the date from the car without an audit into the software/hardware running at the time?
How do you know this wasn’t done?
Because why would Tesla ever do that
Makes sense. It’s not uncommon for people who aren’t paying attention to accidentally slam on the gas instead of the brake when they see they’re about to crash. Almost certainly what happened here.
Maybe a good compromise would be to only allow gentle acceleration in FSD. For full acceleration you need to tap the brake to disengage FSD to allow full acceleration.
That’s true, and I remember that being a problem in a number of accidents for older drivers, but it sounds like this guy was just trying to drive quickly.
https://www.teslarati.com/ntsb-findings-on-fatal-tesla-crash-tell-a-very-different-story/
The driver, 44-year-old Michael Butler…
Not elderly.
Butler told authorities he had passed out at the wheel. But security camera footage obtained by the NTSB told a different story, and showed the car accelerating through an intersection before leaving the road entirely. Police also found that Butler’s phone had Google searches including the terms “Tesla FSD not aggressive enough 2026” and “Tesla FSD too timid,” raising serious questions about how he was using the system before the crash. Butler has since been charged with manslaughter. The victim’s family has filed a lawsuit against both Butler and Tesla, alleging negligence.
Agreed, I don’t think people who haven’t experienced this can really understand it. I was accelerating into an intersection about to get hit by cross-traffic and when I saw what was inevitably going to happen my body just went rigid, and one of my feet was firmly on the accelerator. Fortunately (or unfortunately?) my car was a manual, and the other foot was firmly on the clutch, because I think I had just started or intended to change gears, so my car just drifted slowly into the intersection while roaring loudly at the rev limiter, and I only got clipped. But if my left foot had not been on the clutch, it probably would’ve been a much worse accident. There was no time for anything resembling a conscious thought. My entire body was instantly reacting, I suppose to brace itself for impact, it was very primal and instinctive. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
It’s because that ev specifically and ev in general have very high acceleration so putting the pedal down to max really moves you forward. It’s a bad match with suddenly taking over after the self driving part.
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It’s really strange that search results are becoming so common in articles like this. I feel search results can only be used to manipulate the perception around a situation, and rarely prove anything. Guy owns a car, guy googled said car. Normal people would type something like “can I change how my self driving reacts?” “Can I speed up the acceleration for self driving?”
Who says, “FSD to Timid” unless they are writing a shit article or being linked there by an article that was telling people about such.
The guy was very much likely to be an idiot, but if those search results frame him in any way I feel I’d be framed for hundreds of crimes. Government: are you building a nuclear bomb? If not why were you looking into the processes on how to slow the reactions and how they have changed over the years?
Also how does that relate to your searches about Palestine, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, S.A., U.A.E., various terrorist attacks you have googled over the years? Are you a terrorist!
Lol, nah man… It’s the internet… Sometimes we just search things because of interests or something someone said and want to know more.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always aimed to write my searches in as few words as possible to avoid bringing results from other unrelated topics into it. Most of my searches read like a caveman and often don’t show much relation to one another, but I get the results I’m looking for. More reinforcement of your point than anything that search history is almost impossible to determine the motivation behind.
Drunk, speed happy, suicidal, or something else?
Tesla, enough said
Most cars will go forward if you slam your foot on the accelerator while in drive.
…but it takes a Tesla to go through a house and fuck up this bad
