And I can’t legally drive my kids around in one of those, so yeah it’s like they are different trucks for different purposes or something…. I don’t know…. Maybe…?
In my opinion, it should be illegal to drive any vehicle so tall you can’t see kids in front of you anywhere near a school zone. Unless it’s a fire truck or other service vehicle, for obvious reasons.
I fucking hate what’s happened to hood shape on modern pickups. You mention firetrucks, but most of those that I’ve seen are cabover and have great visibility.
Just give me an 80’s square body shape and ride height with a modern drive train.
Someone posted the accidents stats and Canada is way lower than the USA even though buying habits are the same, so trucks aren’t the issue from that perspective.
It’s funny, kids aren’t getting run down in school zones in other places, we don’t let them run indiscriminately across the road. They’re taught to walk to a a crosswalk to cross the road.
In fact, lots of places ban school buses using flashing red lights inside urban areas since it’s more dangerous, it’s only allowed on rural roads.
…we don’t let them run indiscriminately across the road. They’re taught to walk to a a crosswalk to cross the road.
Really? You’re actually going to defend this classist, corporate-astroturfing bullshit, the theft of the public street away from the People for the exclusive benefit of irresponsible drivers?
You’re arguing with a car brain lol, they lack the intelligence to understand.
It’s kind of hilarious how North Koreans live in this fucking insane societal bubble where they simultaneously think they’re the best nation in the world while living in complete shit conditions that would appall the rest of the developed world.
Kicking your kids out at 18, sending your elders to fucking abuse camps to die, can’t even afford to have a baby, let alone buy them a car or education. Don’t even think about housing or healthcare. Retirement? LOL. Cops can just fucking kill you at any time with no consequences.
Oh sorry typo, I meant Americans in that second paragraph.
Yeah the amount of people who think the problem exists outside the US is astonishing.
Flashing red lights in urban areas is dangerous since people don’t follow the rules and it provides a false sense of security to the kids.
They’re literally lining the kids up and know people don’t follow the rules, it’s silly they haven’t thought to adjust the laws yet. Places in Canada did, decades ago.
Is that an issue? You can’t see the side of the road? Or a kid that’s already started crossing since you are well away…?
I’ve never heard of this issue before, got a source? Or are you just not paying attention to the road while driving…?
Mind you, we also have well established crosswalks that are lit up, and teach people to use them, so that’s probably why it’s not an issue here…? It seems like a uniquely US issue.
The other way a giant truck can solve your “driving my kids around” problem is via the massive blind spot in front. If you’re impressed how much you can fit in the back, wait until you see how many tiny little skulls fit between the road and your line of sight.
I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue. Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?
Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?
Latest data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shows that in 2020 there were over 500 deaths and more than 10,000 “frontover” injuries due to forward-moving vehicles. A frontover injury happens when a vehicle moving forward runs over a person because of not seeing them, usually due to a blind spot.
And a disproportionate number of frontover victims are children, as these accidents mostly take place in driveways and parking lots. According to Kids and Cars, about 81% of victims are 6 years and under.
this isn’t a global conversation? At least right now it isn’t this is entirely localized to the US because the US has the most of these large vehicles lmao
i almost mentioned australia, but australia is just now getting an influx of these trucks, they’re becoming more popular.
Mexico, well uh, mexico has cartels, so i feel like that’s completely redundant and not worth mentioning, the statistics you could even gather from mexico are probably more significantly swayed by the existence of the cartels than they are from the increase in danger of the truck tbh.
Mexico is also a completely different place, so i would have to research into mexico specifically to know more about it and how it would be a problem.
unfortunately for you i live in america and do go outside, so i have a rather reliable viewpoint there. And that’s what im talking about.
as for canada, canada has a lot of logging and oil industry so it’s probably related to that, most of the populated parts of canada are coast line, the norther border and farther north are generally sparse and has a considerably lower population than most of the US. It’s just a little bit different from the US in most regards that would make comparing the data directly much harder.
Seems like you might have more ignorance than me, considering you forgot the entire rest of the world, where as you literally just referenced the entirety of “north america” maybe you’re just american pilled, but north america is not global, it’s north america.
The bottom line? These vehicles are not fit for European cities.
They are dangerous for several reasons, namely because their front ends are frequently higher than the average height of young children, making it difficult for drivers to spot some of the most vulnerable road users. Moreover, pick-up trucks such as these are more difficult to manoeuvre than standard vehicles, a challenge only made worse by the size of many European city streets.
Therefore, it should hardly come as a surprise that these vehicles have been shown to kill and injure road users more frequently than ordinary automobiles when they get into collisions. According to Pedro Homem Gouveia, Coordinator of POLIS WG on Safety & Security, it would be more fitting to call vehicles of this dimension “dangerous road users.”
EU hasn’t had an increase in pedestrian deaths like the US has, where’s the stats…?
In fact, the hyperlink that alludes it should be about stats, just goes to a LinkedIn type page for the person they are talking about…. What do you think that op Ed would be proving here?
I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue
Well fuck me dead, that’s a shocking plot twist. The guy who responds to every comment with “spoonfeed me this widely available information” hasn’t heard of something.
Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?
It’s basic geometry, which was apparently too much to ask of you. Maybe we should have started at “object permanence” and established that things continue existing, even when your vision of them is blocked.
Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?
Most people probably just assumed you were aware of this extremely common knowledge and that if you weren’t, you were capable of being a big brave boy and typing “pickup truck blind spot” into a search engine by yourself.
But nope, you’d rather accidentally admit that you don’t know basic safety information about your own car.
Well fuck me dead, that’s a shocking plot twist. The guy who responds to every comment with “spoonfeed me this widely available information” hasn’t heard of something.
Like everyone else not understanding that using red lights inside of urban areas cause most of these issues? And this issue only exists in the US…? And not anywhere else?
I love how all the data is from the US, it’s literally not an issue anywhere else… fucking lmfao. Don’t provide your local data in a global conversation, why do you think that’s important…??
Oh look, the goalposts have moved again and apparently outside the US, people in giant trucks have xray vision that let’s them see through solid metal.
I’m not engaging any further. You’re a fucking idiot, driving around in a fucking idiot’s car, and you’ve already done more than I ever could to prove it.
the reason they mention the US is because the US has significantly more of these trucks, it’s not even shifting goalposts, it’s literally cherrypicking the data to make it look better than it is.
The goalposts haven’t moved, they’ve always been global, I don’t live in the US so why the fuck would I be talking about the US…? The meme could apply to multiple countries, even mine, but we don’t have this issue of kids getting killed in school zones, nor this campaign to get smaller vehicles, since it’s not an issue when driving, maybe the decent pedestrian infrastructure helps, but who knows, the problem only exists in one place.
Lmfao, give your head a shake, the world doesn’t evolve around your country, I know you all want to, but there’s an entire world out there.
I’m sorry your country doesn’t care about your safety, and you want to blame vehicles instead of your own abilities while driving, or make shit safer of you want to stare at your phone while driving. Yeah it’s not illegal to use your cellphone while behind the wheel in how many states….? Maybe that’s the reason for these collisions that only happen in the US…? No… can’t be the laws letting people be negligent… no…. Can’t be… must be something we can blame than ourselves… hmmmmhmmm….
Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?
the likelihood of large trucks hitting pedestrians is substantially higher, and the likelihood of those impacts being deadly is even higher than that.
Even ignoring statistics here, basic static analysis of the factors at play would argue that there should be an expected increase in these stats. For one thing you have significantly less immediate LOS meaning it’s not incredibly apparent what is directly in front of you which should make it quite obvious as to why they’re more dangerous, especially at lower speeds. You feel much safer in them due to their size, so you are more likely to be paying less attention or none at all, assuming that other people will notice your massive pavement princess coming down the road.
The front of the vehicle is a literal wall, so the chance that you impact someone, and drag them across the road for a significant distance, or even just run them over outright is significantly higher, because low hoodline vehicles often just throw people up on their hoods, an f150 is significantly less likely to do this, considering how much higher off the ground the hoodline is already, especially when you add in children. It also has considerably more mass, meaning it’s going to impart significantly more energy into a pedestrian, even at low speeds. A lot of these trucks are also lifted and stanced (or as i liked to refer to them “tonked” because they look like tonka trucks) which means if you do impact a pedestrian, you’re likely to stuff them straight into your front suspension and driveline, which is sure to cause all kinds of fun problems.
So why are rates only going up in the US…? Other places have these same trucks and don’t have the same issues.
I appreciate you not providing sources from outside the US to support it’s not a US only problem. Every article people provide is about the US, other places have these trucks, why don’t they have the same issues?
Why in this so hard for you guys to find? And why is every answer skirting around the actual question? Lmfao.
probably a combination of the fact that there are substantially more trucks in the US compared to places in the EU for example where the statistics are probably significantly closer to “margin of error” levels of accuracy.
The US also has substantially more people driving, substantially more road, substantially less skilled drivers one could argue, though i would argue we have a much wider range of skilled drivers, than somewhere like germany for example, where they have a might tighter though higher sitting range of skilled drivers.
edit: a lot of these trucks outside the US are likely to be work vehicles exclusively i imagine, where as in the US they’re primarily work and personal, though i sure do see a lot more personal trucks on the road than i do work trucks on the road.
In short, other places don’t have these issues because other places simply have a lot less vehicles, and a lot less traffic, as well as a lot less of these trucks per capita compared to the US which is just statistically what you expect to see in the results.
Dangerous vehicles are really only dangerous when in large numbers because otherwise they are quite literally a statistical anomaly. It’s why old vehicles are still allowed on the road in the US even though they’re less safe, there just isn’t enough of them for it to be statistically significant.
Why did you mention the EU? What about Canada? Mexico? Australia? Where these vehicles actually exist, but the numbers aren’t the same as the Us…?
Canada is basically identical to the US in every metric you mentioned, yet the stats aren’t the same. You keep trying to find other reasons why, when I’ve already explained it.
I did, all those other countries haven’t had an increase in pedestrian rates… and you’ve provided nothing to support this claim…. it’s almost like the size of the vehicle isn’t a factor at all or something… but hey let’s keep blaming the vehicles when 20 other proven points have been pointed out…
Fucking yeesh, you’re about the stupidest one in this chain trying to argue lmfao.
And I can’t legally drive my kids around in one of those, so yeah it’s like they are different trucks for different purposes or something…. I don’t know…. Maybe…?
In my opinion, it should be illegal to drive any vehicle so tall you can’t see kids in front of you anywhere near a school zone. Unless it’s a fire truck or other service vehicle, for obvious reasons.
I fucking hate what’s happened to hood shape on modern pickups. You mention firetrucks, but most of those that I’ve seen are cabover and have great visibility.
Just give me an 80’s square body shape and ride height with a modern drive train.
Someone posted the accidents stats and Canada is way lower than the USA even though buying habits are the same, so trucks aren’t the issue from that perspective.
It’s funny, kids aren’t getting run down in school zones in other places, we don’t let them run indiscriminately across the road. They’re taught to walk to a a crosswalk to cross the road.
In fact, lots of places ban school buses using flashing red lights inside urban areas since it’s more dangerous, it’s only allowed on rural roads.
Really? You’re actually going to defend this classist, corporate-astroturfing bullshit, the theft of the public street away from the People for the exclusive benefit of irresponsible drivers?
You’re arguing with a car brain lol, they lack the intelligence to understand.
It’s kind of hilarious how North Koreans live in this fucking insane societal bubble where they simultaneously think they’re the best nation in the world while living in complete shit conditions that would appall the rest of the developed world.
Kicking your kids out at 18, sending your elders to fucking abuse camps to die, can’t even afford to have a baby, let alone buy them a car or education. Don’t even think about housing or healthcare. Retirement? LOL. Cops can just fucking kill you at any time with no consequences.
Oh sorry typo, I meant Americans in that second paragraph.
This dumbass is too stupid to see that I’m not American and I’m bashing the people lmfao. What an idiot.
Gonna go out on a limb and guess you’re an Albertan, close enough.
Yeah and oddly enough this isn’t a problem where jaywalking is legal like the EU, so what point do you think that’s making here….?
Just gonna leave this diagram here for reasons.
What’s funny is that we have the same buying habits in Canada so maybe the issue isn’t trucks after all
Yeah no Americans would rather blame vehicles than take ownership for their own actions.
Yeah the amount of people who think the problem exists outside the US is astonishing.
Flashing red lights in urban areas is dangerous since people don’t follow the rules and it provides a false sense of security to the kids.
They’re literally lining the kids up and know people don’t follow the rules, it’s silly they haven’t thought to adjust the laws yet. Places in Canada did, decades ago.
Believe it or not, some people don’t bother to stop at a crosswalk if they can’t see anyone crossing.
Is that an issue? You can’t see the side of the road? Or a kid that’s already started crossing since you are well away…?
I’ve never heard of this issue before, got a source? Or are you just not paying attention to the road while driving…?
Mind you, we also have well established crosswalks that are lit up, and teach people to use them, so that’s probably why it’s not an issue here…? It seems like a uniquely US issue.
The other way a giant truck can solve your “driving my kids around” problem is via the massive blind spot in front. If you’re impressed how much you can fit in the back, wait until you see how many tiny little skulls fit between the road and your line of sight.
I’ve literally never had an issue and I’ve never heard of that being an issue. Do you not look at the road when you’re driving or something?
Can anyone provide anything that says this is a real concern…? Because people keep saying it, and no one wants to prove it. So strange… should be easy, no? So why can’t anyone do it?
Here you go bud.
https://wlos.com/news/local/consumer-reports-how-bad-blind-spots-suvs-pickup-trucks-large-vehicles-protect-families-tech-required-new-cars-backup-cameras
Got anything from anywhere other than the US where this problem solely exists…? Because your local stats mean nothing in a global conversation.
this isn’t a global conversation? At least right now it isn’t this is entirely localized to the US because the US has the most of these large vehicles lmao
Canada… Mexico… Australia…
Your ignorance is showing.
i almost mentioned australia, but australia is just now getting an influx of these trucks, they’re becoming more popular.
Mexico, well uh, mexico has cartels, so i feel like that’s completely redundant and not worth mentioning, the statistics you could even gather from mexico are probably more significantly swayed by the existence of the cartels than they are from the increase in danger of the truck tbh.
Mexico is also a completely different place, so i would have to research into mexico specifically to know more about it and how it would be a problem.
unfortunately for you i live in america and do go outside, so i have a rather reliable viewpoint there. And that’s what im talking about.
as for canada, canada has a lot of logging and oil industry so it’s probably related to that, most of the populated parts of canada are coast line, the norther border and farther north are generally sparse and has a considerably lower population than most of the US. It’s just a little bit different from the US in most regards that would make comparing the data directly much harder.
Seems like you might have more ignorance than me, considering you forgot the entire rest of the world, where as you literally just referenced the entirety of “north america” maybe you’re just american pilled, but north america is not global, it’s north america.
Sure thing bud. Also, how far are you going to move the goalposts?
https://www.polisnetwork.eu/news/size-matters-polis-urges-keep-large-and-unsafe-vehicles-off-europes-streets/
I followed every hyperlink, and there’s no stats.
EU hasn’t had an increase in pedestrian deaths like the US has, where’s the stats…?
In fact, the hyperlink that alludes it should be about stats, just goes to a LinkedIn type page for the person they are talking about…. What do you think that op Ed would be proving here?
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/stop-frontovers-act-eliminate-dangerous-front-blind-zones-a1009105623/
Further, large trucks and SUVs are involved in more pedestrian accidents (and are more lethal in those accidents) than cars.
Got anything from anywhere other than the US where this problem solely exists…? Because your local stats mean nothing in a global conversation.
Well fuck me dead, that’s a shocking plot twist. The guy who responds to every comment with “spoonfeed me this widely available information” hasn’t heard of something.
It’s basic geometry, which was apparently too much to ask of you. Maybe we should have started at “object permanence” and established that things continue existing, even when your vision of them is blocked.
Most people probably just assumed you were aware of this extremely common knowledge and that if you weren’t, you were capable of being a big brave boy and typing “pickup truck blind spot” into a search engine by yourself.
But nope, you’d rather accidentally admit that you don’t know basic safety information about your own car.
Like everyone else not understanding that using red lights inside of urban areas cause most of these issues? And this issue only exists in the US…? And not anywhere else?
I love how all the data is from the US, it’s literally not an issue anywhere else… fucking lmfao. Don’t provide your local data in a global conversation, why do you think that’s important…??
Oh look, the goalposts have moved again and apparently outside the US, people in giant trucks have xray vision that let’s them see through solid metal.
I’m not engaging any further. You’re a fucking idiot, driving around in a fucking idiot’s car, and you’ve already done more than I ever could to prove it.
the reason they mention the US is because the US has significantly more of these trucks, it’s not even shifting goalposts, it’s literally cherrypicking the data to make it look better than it is.
The goalposts haven’t moved, they’ve always been global, I don’t live in the US so why the fuck would I be talking about the US…? The meme could apply to multiple countries, even mine, but we don’t have this issue of kids getting killed in school zones, nor this campaign to get smaller vehicles, since it’s not an issue when driving, maybe the decent pedestrian infrastructure helps, but who knows, the problem only exists in one place.
Lmfao, give your head a shake, the world doesn’t evolve around your country, I know you all want to, but there’s an entire world out there.
I’m sorry your country doesn’t care about your safety, and you want to blame vehicles instead of your own abilities while driving, or make shit safer of you want to stare at your phone while driving. Yeah it’s not illegal to use your cellphone while behind the wheel in how many states….? Maybe that’s the reason for these collisions that only happen in the US…? No… can’t be the laws letting people be negligent… no…. Can’t be… must be something we can blame than ourselves… hmmmmhmmm….
I’m not American but don’t worry, we’re all used to your opinions being ignorant of basic facts.
the likelihood of large trucks hitting pedestrians is substantially higher, and the likelihood of those impacts being deadly is even higher than that.
Even ignoring statistics here, basic static analysis of the factors at play would argue that there should be an expected increase in these stats. For one thing you have significantly less immediate LOS meaning it’s not incredibly apparent what is directly in front of you which should make it quite obvious as to why they’re more dangerous, especially at lower speeds. You feel much safer in them due to their size, so you are more likely to be paying less attention or none at all, assuming that other people will notice your massive pavement princess coming down the road.
The front of the vehicle is a literal wall, so the chance that you impact someone, and drag them across the road for a significant distance, or even just run them over outright is significantly higher, because low hoodline vehicles often just throw people up on their hoods, an f150 is significantly less likely to do this, considering how much higher off the ground the hoodline is already, especially when you add in children. It also has considerably more mass, meaning it’s going to impart significantly more energy into a pedestrian, even at low speeds. A lot of these trucks are also lifted and stanced (or as i liked to refer to them “tonked” because they look like tonka trucks) which means if you do impact a pedestrian, you’re likely to stuff them straight into your front suspension and driveline, which is sure to cause all kinds of fun problems.
oops, consumer reports article
looks like nhtsa is even running for these kinds of things
So why are rates only going up in the US…? Other places have these same trucks and don’t have the same issues.
I appreciate you not providing sources from outside the US to support it’s not a US only problem. Every article people provide is about the US, other places have these trucks, why don’t they have the same issues?
Why in this so hard for you guys to find? And why is every answer skirting around the actual question? Lmfao.
probably a combination of the fact that there are substantially more trucks in the US compared to places in the EU for example where the statistics are probably significantly closer to “margin of error” levels of accuracy.
The US also has substantially more people driving, substantially more road, substantially less skilled drivers one could argue, though i would argue we have a much wider range of skilled drivers, than somewhere like germany for example, where they have a might tighter though higher sitting range of skilled drivers.
edit: a lot of these trucks outside the US are likely to be work vehicles exclusively i imagine, where as in the US they’re primarily work and personal, though i sure do see a lot more personal trucks on the road than i do work trucks on the road.
In short, other places don’t have these issues because other places simply have a lot less vehicles, and a lot less traffic, as well as a lot less of these trucks per capita compared to the US which is just statistically what you expect to see in the results.
Dangerous vehicles are really only dangerous when in large numbers because otherwise they are quite literally a statistical anomaly. It’s why old vehicles are still allowed on the road in the US even though they’re less safe, there just isn’t enough of them for it to be statistically significant.
Why did you mention the EU? What about Canada? Mexico? Australia? Where these vehicles actually exist, but the numbers aren’t the same as the Us…?
Canada is basically identical to the US in every metric you mentioned, yet the stats aren’t the same. You keep trying to find other reasons why, when I’ve already explained it.
go have a look at my other comment in your inbox :)
I did, all those other countries haven’t had an increase in pedestrian rates… and you’ve provided nothing to support this claim…. it’s almost like the size of the vehicle isn’t a factor at all or something… but hey let’s keep blaming the vehicles when 20 other proven points have been pointed out…
Fucking yeesh, you’re about the stupidest one in this chain trying to argue lmfao.
Fuck yo kids, little shits spoiled by shit parenting.