https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1977911633100865883
For the liberals who think it it doesn’t matter he claims Israeli captives are being tortured while not even mentioning the same for the Palestinians in extermination camps: your medicare won’t matter to him either. Stop torturing billionaires.
Palestine is the ultimate litmus test.
¿Are you done with your liberal electoralism?
how is this electoralism’s fault? he’s saying that stuff because he sucks not because it will change the election result.
Posturing for the next election before he even wins this one seems very on brand for a liberal
Well, that’s a fucking disappointing way to start my day…
I might be missing something, but it reads like he’s saying “Israeli hostages” as in “hostages taken by Israel” based on how he mentions families returning to rubble in Gaza.
This reads to me as someone who is a Zionist trying to pretend like they are a leftist attacking Mamdani from the left.
This reads to me as someone who is a Zionist trying to pretend like they are a leftist attacking leftists from the right.
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Turn your monitor on
zohran by his own words is a liberal zionist
When palestinians capture mostly POWs, it’s called “hostages” and “torture”. When israelis capture mostly civilians and then actually torture them, it’s called “detention”. Get your nomenclature right folks, or you’re an antisemite!
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I can’t help but wonder whether this guy has just been a cynical liar from the start, if all the Democratic operatives running his general election campaign are just exceptionally good at performing rapid brainworm installations, or if the CIA simply took him into a room and explained what they’d do to him and his family if he doesn’t toe the line.
That last one is particularly scary because I had the same thought when Bernie actually somehow got worse on Palestine than he was during his 2020 campaign. That was despite him having no intention of running for president again and also having the safest senate seat in this country. What was he afraid of?
Like maybe every left leaning politician in this country receives credible death threats from the CIA as par for the course on certain matters of foreign policy.
It’s the whole Jstreet and AIPAC lobby telling their minions to convince Zohran that Israel isn’t all that bad and that he needs to speak up for both sides etc.
Since Zohran wants power he will gladly do some mental gymnastics to accept whatever excuse he is given, do a little both-sidesing and call it a day.
I think it is as simple as that they start stroking his ego and give him money. He is young and charismatic enough that they’ve probably started blowing smoke up his ass about a potential presidential run.
Bernie was always a Zionist, just that it is easier to sidestep when it is at the normal status quo of apartheid, regular bombing raids and land being stolen.
they’ve probably started blowing smoke up his ass about a potential presidential run
Not saying you’re wrong about the general point but this isn’t possible, he wasn’t born a citizen of the USA.
Neither was Mitt Romney
Willard Mitt Romney[6] was born on March 12, 1947, at Harper University Hospital in Detroit, Michigan,[7] one of four children born to automobile executive George W. Romney …
are you thinking of how john mccain was born in panama or is there some mormon shit i don’t know about?
Laws aren’t real. They only matter if they are enforced, which Trump has thoroughly proven over the last 10 years doesn’t happen to presidents/presidential candidates. I swear as soon as someone who doesn’t have pudding for brains realizes that “nuh uh” is an absolute defense against any law in this country they’ll be unstoppable.
Sure, sure, but I don’t think Zohran would believe it.
AOCfication even before getting any power.
electoralism… is… le ineffective?
he’s just voluntarily being a piece of shit this isn’t even about policy or getting votes.
mamdani in the local DNC headquarters immediately after winning the primary
Yeah I can’t even see how this is electoralisms fault here, he’s already got the bag and now he’s just running laps for Zionists? How long did it take AOC to complete the transformation? This is like a any% speed run at this point.
The MLs over at DSA need to start asking themselves some hard questions about their strategy, because good luck fighting against this kind of opportunism from the inside.
Was it ever on to begin with?
I only feel such kinds of disappointment when like an actual marxist or anarchist person/party has dumbass takes.
If you are expecting liberals to have takes that are not lib, then your expectations are just out of order.
Zohran actually started off really well, refusing to condemn all of oct7, no unnecessary placating to Zionists etc, calling the police racist in the past, etc. Only in the last months after he won the primaries have things started to go downhill like this. The DNC infiltration in his team is in full force.
I don’t believe in reforming the DNC whatsoever but I did give him credit when he deserved it in the past, because it’s important to show people who still believe in reform what happens when one of the supposed reform guys actually gets in power. In order to be allowed a position of power they first need to bow for to the DNC party line.
At present, British Communists very often find it hard even to approach the masses, and even to get a hearing from them. If I come out as a Communist and call upon them to vote for Henderson and against Lloyd George, they will certainly give me a hearing. And I shall be able to explain in a popular manner, not only why the Soviets are better than a parliament and why the dictatorship of the proletariat is better than the dictatorship of Churchill (disguised with the signboard of bourgeois “democracy”), but also that, with my vote, I want to support Henderson in the same way as the rope supports a hanged man—that the impending establishment of a government of the Hendersons will prove that I am right, will bring the masses over to my side, and will hasten the political death of the Hendersons and the Snowdens just as was the case with their kindred spirits in Russia and Germany.
~ V.I Lenin
“What if I were to take communist organizing and disguised it as bourgeois electoralism? Oh ho ho, delightfully devilish, Vladimir”
I still want to know what they are doing to scare them so much. Like, what did they say to AOC after her protest in Pelosi’s office? Or Mamdani after the primary? Like, its not just the 180 its how fast and abrupt it is. What are they saying to them, threatening them with?
All the cope comments are saying that he needs to “compromise to get things done”. Which is inherently why it’s impossible to do reform. Anyone who compromises with genocide libs will compromise on everything else.
was he about reforming the party? i thought he was some DSA loser and they run in dem primaries for logistical reasons that don’t have to do with entryism per se.
Fair enough. I didn’t follow him closely in the early days so I didn’t know exactly the details.
He also states it was a genocide funded by the US. Calls Isrealian bombing relentless, take for granted there was and apartheid and focus on the likely scenario of it continuing unchallenged.
It’s clearly a post antagonizing Israel. I’ll fucking take it.
If Zohran was a milquetoast DNC shill with no past record on Palestine I’d take it. But he’s backtracking from his original position of fully supporting Palestinians, to spreading fake lies about Israeli captives being tortured while not mentioning actual Palestinians being tortured.
Caving to Zionists has never worked and there’s no reason to do so, ask Jeremy Corbyn.
Zohran is now lying and throwing Palestinians under the bus to further his own career.
I think you’re right to point to the direction of his movement, maybe he’ll snap back the other way. But we have no way of knowing and being at the whims of “hoping” on an individual isn’t an effective politics
The paradox of the Chinese Room never ceases to amaze me.
I don’t know what you think the Chinese Room is, but that’s not what it is
I think they’re accusing the other person of being a bot in the most roundabout possible way? I don’t know, that’s a new one.
I’m assuming it’s standard Reddit pseudo-intellectual behaviour of trying to parrot things they don’t understand but think makes them sounds smart.
So, in short, he made sure to continue the liberal Zionist framing of “it’s a sad situation with atrocities on both sides, but the important thing is that we, enlightened western liberals, secure the peaceful submission of the Palestinian savages, so that we can finally have the chance to rule them benevolently, and maybe in the distant future, we can even talk about giving them human rights.”
is this the best NYC can get?
Probably
Bonus meme https://lemmy.ml/post/37514980
You’ll die before a righteous “hero” becomes powerful in America in any considerable way. But good shouldn’t be the enemy of “not as horrible”, right? Idk.