I still don’t get how he ended up in that position.
No, like seriously. Practically.
He’s a fucking left wing linguistics professor. Even if he’s a giant pedo, how does he afford to get a ticket to go to epstein island? If he can’t afford it, why does epstein give him a free ride? He’s on the opposite side to chomsky.
did the book sales for manufacturing consent get him that fucking rich?
Epstein collected intellectuals. He bought whole science departments at MIT, and kept a brothel of soft intellectuals like Malcolm Gladwell (imo definitely participated in some extra curriculars with Epstein), Richard Dawkins, Stephen Pinker (whom JE voted off the island (heh) because he wouldn’t corroborate JE’s eugenicism) and many others.
Norm (I call him Norm now) Chomsky is a guy who will just like answer any emails that come to him. He’s not difficult to get a response from. I think Epstein was good at handling intellectuals, and had a lot to offer researchers like Chomsky who wanted to know how to follow the money, and where the bodies were buried. Epstein’s connections and insider knowledge to the CIA, Mossad, and Les Wexner are all legitimate enough reasons to spend time talking with him.
This isnt to shift blame or culpability away from Chomsky, just to say that Epstein and associates had developed a concrete basis for power and influence among intellectuals. It wasnt just taking advantage of underage young women for personal pleasure, but all rivers seem to run into that sea.
To me though it really illustrates how Chomsky was really an ivory-tower elitist. If there was ever proof that left wing ideas only matter when they lead to taking effective action in the struggle for liberation, then Chomsky’s unrepentant associations with Epstein are a shining example. As if many of his “left wing” positions weren’t already problematic enough, he made sure to put on full display whom is the real subject of his work, and it isnt the toiling and exploited classes. I have some ideological differences with him, but thankfully we don’t need to worry about that. His actions speak to the actual nature of his ideas, so we need only gesture toward this photo as proof of how he demolished his own legacy, and how he doesnt deserve a place among those who actually struggle to educate people about the truth of our conditions.
May his work be forgotten. What a sad, pathetic man.
Other than being a fuckin loser? I haven’t heard of any deep associations between JE and Dawkins. I have to go back to check what Gladwell’s associations were as it has been a while since I heard about their connection. It’s possible that I’m over stating his connection because I really don’t like his dumb books and he looks like such a fucking creep
Rich and powerful people like Epstein like to collect influence and status and part of that status is collecting novelty. This is something money can’t directly buy and is exclusive so they need it like the parasites they are. Part of Epstein’s appeal to these ghouls was that not only would he make you rich and get you girls but he himself was “smart” end erudite and surrounded himself with the “best and brightest.” This is why he consorted with people like Hawking and Chomsky; he collected their reputations in his bag and then could tell other ghouls hey look come to the island, you can meet the most famous physicist of all time and, maybe, bang some young girls.
To be fair to Hawking (who was a d-bag), there isn’t evidence that he went to the Island but he did meet with Epstein likely because Epstein sought out smart people to consort with
I do not care to delve into the personal life of all scientists, particularly physicists, who rarely opine on human nature. Hawking’s contributions to astrophysics and quantum physics are unrelated to his associations with shitty humans. In that arena, however, I do prefer Leonard Susskind over Hawking, in that Hawking’s fucking ego would not let him consider other positions related to certain topics. (In short, yes, he was a douche bag).
There’s an excellent book by Susskind called the Black Hole Wars about how he was right and Hawking was a dick when it came to how black holes consume objects and the data therein. Hawking eventually conceded to Susskind reluctantly after a few decades.
He isn’t really on the opposite side of Chomsky. Chomsky is very much allowed as vocal “opposition” because his conclusions all lie in cynicism towards the idea that there are meaningful alternatives to the status quo. He redirects radicalism toward doomerism and away from meaningful practice.
I get the sarcasm, but I think the case can be made that it’s the exact opposite. Zionism is terrible for the Jews, both in the mythology and real wold consequences.
If you look at his emails with Epstein, it’s literally Epstein asking him about his academic work, Epstein toying with various little theories and asking Chomsky about them, etc. All above board so far. Him being on the plane is not great, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a pedo. It opens up that possibility, but there is not proof of him doing anything wrong. Yet. I really hope he didn’t do anything wrong, but it’s obviously a possibility.
No matter what you think about Chomsky, he’s an extremely important intellectual figure and is associated with the left. Him going down would be bad for all of us - so I hope he’s not a bastard.
It opens up that possibility, but there is not proof of him doing anything wrong.
Spending time and discussing politics with a convicted sex trafficker as well as getting on his “Lolita express” is already wrong enough in my opinion.
I highly recommend you read On Chomsky by Roderic Day. Chomsky’s a bastard and the left would be better without him, as he ultimately postures his “leftism” in manners that uphold the US Empire through cynically demonizing any real alternatives.
Thanks for the recommendation, will take a look at it. What I’ve read of Chomsky so far is often a critique of (mostly, but not exclusively) US Imperialism, so I’m curious what this person is arguing
His critique of US imperialism is as I said, done in a way that downplays any alternative in real life and redirects radicals towards cynicism and nihilism. His point can be summed up as “The US Empire is evil, but everyone else is worse, so we have to support it.”
I will read it. Regardless, though, he is associated with the left and him going down for this would be bad PR for the left broadly, which sucks - that’s my only point other than we don’t know he’s done anything untoward here.
In my view, it is better to tear down the “left” phrasemongers that attack socialism in action while waxxing poetic about “pure” and “ideal” socialism, and uphold actually good practicians and theorists over them.
After learning how integral Epstein was to the infiltration of America’s elite, it would make sense that Mossad also pushed their thought into left wing space too with agents like Chomsky. They position themselves with two big players, one in business and finance and the other in academia (with grants and money as incentive).
We are seeing years of coordinated effort to undermine and control America and Europe. The UK is likely in the same place but less obvious because they have nothing close to America’s ability to project force in places like Iran.
Israel doesn’t control the US or Europe. The US Empire, with Europe as its vassals, support Israel because it secures their imperialist interests in the region. There’s a degree of counter-influence and lobbying done by Israel, but Israel isn’t the one pulling the strings, the US is.
The article of the first link really is about aa uncritical and non-nuanced as it gets. Thanks for sharing anyway, there are still some interesting facts to pull from it.
I still don’t get how he ended up in that position.
No, like seriously. Practically.
He’s a fucking left wing linguistics professor. Even if he’s a giant pedo, how does he afford to get a ticket to go to epstein island? If he can’t afford it, why does epstein give him a free ride? He’s on the opposite side to chomsky.
did the book sales for manufacturing consent get him that fucking rich?
Is he involved with a charity? Epstein was filthy rich, I’ll bet he was constantly getting hit up for money. That explains Clinton and Gate’s presence
I think there are simpler explanations for Clinton and Gates’ presence.
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Mossad leverage against non Zionist jewish activist.
His net worth is <$2M.
At that point in his career, Chomsky was getting invited everywhere because he was branded “the top intellectual in the world”.
People would see him speak and not understand a damned word he said.
It’s not like Chomsky understood anything he was saying outside of linguistics.
$2m is nothing to someone like Epstein. The private jet they’re flying in cost $61m, for example
Epstein collected intellectuals. He bought whole science departments at MIT, and kept a brothel of soft intellectuals like Malcolm Gladwell (imo definitely participated in some extra curriculars with Epstein), Richard Dawkins, Stephen Pinker (whom JE voted off the island (heh) because he wouldn’t corroborate JE’s eugenicism) and many others.
Norm (I call him Norm now) Chomsky is a guy who will just like answer any emails that come to him. He’s not difficult to get a response from. I think Epstein was good at handling intellectuals, and had a lot to offer researchers like Chomsky who wanted to know how to follow the money, and where the bodies were buried. Epstein’s connections and insider knowledge to the CIA, Mossad, and Les Wexner are all legitimate enough reasons to spend time talking with him.
This isnt to shift blame or culpability away from Chomsky, just to say that Epstein and associates had developed a concrete basis for power and influence among intellectuals. It wasnt just taking advantage of underage young women for personal pleasure, but all rivers seem to run into that sea.
To me though it really illustrates how Chomsky was really an ivory-tower elitist. If there was ever proof that left wing ideas only matter when they lead to taking effective action in the struggle for liberation, then Chomsky’s unrepentant associations with Epstein are a shining example. As if many of his “left wing” positions weren’t already problematic enough, he made sure to put on full display whom is the real subject of his work, and it isnt the toiling and exploited classes. I have some ideological differences with him, but thankfully we don’t need to worry about that. His actions speak to the actual nature of his ideas, so we need only gesture toward this photo as proof of how he demolished his own legacy, and how he doesnt deserve a place among those who actually struggle to educate people about the truth of our conditions.
May his work be forgotten. What a sad, pathetic man.
Do you think Dawkins is culpable for anything?
Other than being a fuckin loser? I haven’t heard of any deep associations between JE and Dawkins. I have to go back to check what Gladwell’s associations were as it has been a while since I heard about their connection. It’s possible that I’m over stating his connection because I really don’t like his dumb books and he looks like such a fucking creep
Rich and powerful people like Epstein like to collect influence and status and part of that status is collecting novelty. This is something money can’t directly buy and is exclusive so they need it like the parasites they are. Part of Epstein’s appeal to these ghouls was that not only would he make you rich and get you girls but he himself was “smart” end erudite and surrounded himself with the “best and brightest.” This is why he consorted with people like Hawking and Chomsky; he collected their reputations in his bag and then could tell other ghouls hey look come to the island, you can meet the most famous physicist of all time and, maybe, bang some young girls.
Hawkins?
Sorry, Stephen Hawking https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/05/prince-andrew-clinton-hawking-what-do-the-epstein-documents-say-about-key-people
To be fair to Hawking (who was a d-bag), there isn’t evidence that he went to the Island but he did meet with Epstein likely because Epstein sought out smart people to consort with
I do not care to delve into the personal life of all scientists, particularly physicists, who rarely opine on human nature. Hawking’s contributions to astrophysics and quantum physics are unrelated to his associations with shitty humans. In that arena, however, I do prefer Leonard Susskind over Hawking, in that Hawking’s fucking ego would not let him consider other positions related to certain topics. (In short, yes, he was a douche bag).
There’s an excellent book by Susskind called the Black Hole Wars about how he was right and Hawking was a dick when it came to how black holes consume objects and the data therein. Hawking eventually conceded to Susskind reluctantly after a few decades.
I think they meant Minsky.
Minsky?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Association_with_Jeffrey_Epstein
He meant Steven Hawking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky
He meant Steven Hawking.
It got him celebrity. That opens doors in ways money doesn’t.
He isn’t really on the opposite side of Chomsky. Chomsky is very much allowed as vocal “opposition” because his conclusions all lie in cynicism towards the idea that there are meaningful alternatives to the status quo. He redirects radicalism toward doomerism and away from meaningful practice.
Chomsky is a Zionist which publicly supports the genocidal Apartheid and is anti BDS.
Most of Chomsky’s criticism is correct but coincidentally applies to Chcomsky himself.
Sure, because in 2025 everyone is either a Zionist or an anti-semite. So cool on the interweb.
Indeed everyone who is anti Zionist is an anti Semite. Great analysis.
I get the sarcasm, but I think the case can be made that it’s the exact opposite. Zionism is terrible for the Jews, both in the mythology and real wold consequences.
Where did you pick up that Chomsky would be a Zionist? He’s actively working against the Apartheid Regime in multiple of his books
He is anti BDS and supports the “right of Israel to exist”. That’s the definition of Zionism.
Like a true Liberal Zionist he does minor criticism but refuses to acknowledge that Israel shouldn’t exist.
Zionism is to argue “the people of the jewish faith and the state of Israel are the same thing”, which he very much wasn’t a fan of.
And the state of Israel has a right to exist, it just shouldn’t get special treatment and a different rulebook than anyone else.
The state of Israel has no right to exist, as it is a genocidal settler colony on stolen land. Palestine should have its original land returned.
Whatever.
“Nazi Germany has its faults but it has a right to exist” - Noam Chomsky.
Ok, Gen X.
If you look at his emails with Epstein, it’s literally Epstein asking him about his academic work, Epstein toying with various little theories and asking Chomsky about them, etc. All above board so far. Him being on the plane is not great, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a pedo. It opens up that possibility, but there is not proof of him doing anything wrong. Yet. I really hope he didn’t do anything wrong, but it’s obviously a possibility.
No matter what you think about Chomsky, he’s an extremely important intellectual figure and is associated with the left. Him going down would be bad for all of us - so I hope he’s not a bastard.
Spending time and discussing politics with a convicted sex trafficker as well as getting on his “Lolita express” is already wrong enough in my opinion.
I highly recommend you read On Chomsky by Roderic Day. Chomsky’s a bastard and the left would be better without him, as he ultimately postures his “leftism” in manners that uphold the US Empire through cynically demonizing any real alternatives.
Thanks for the recommendation, will take a look at it. What I’ve read of Chomsky so far is often a critique of (mostly, but not exclusively) US Imperialism, so I’m curious what this person is arguing
His critique of US imperialism is as I said, done in a way that downplays any alternative in real life and redirects radicals towards cynicism and nihilism. His point can be summed up as “The US Empire is evil, but everyone else is worse, so we have to support it.”
I will read it. Regardless, though, he is associated with the left and him going down for this would be bad PR for the left broadly, which sucks - that’s my only point other than we don’t know he’s done anything untoward here.
In my view, it is better to tear down the “left” phrasemongers that attack socialism in action while waxxing poetic about “pure” and “ideal” socialism, and uphold actually good practicians and theorists over them.
True - I totally agree.
After learning how integral Epstein was to the infiltration of America’s elite, it would make sense that Mossad also pushed their thought into left wing space too with agents like Chomsky. They position themselves with two big players, one in business and finance and the other in academia (with grants and money as incentive).
We are seeing years of coordinated effort to undermine and control America and Europe. The UK is likely in the same place but less obvious because they have nothing close to America’s ability to project force in places like Iran.
Zionism is a plague. Israel is ruining the world
Israel doesn’t control the US or Europe. The US Empire, with Europe as its vassals, support Israel because it secures their imperialist interests in the region. There’s a degree of counter-influence and lobbying done by Israel, but Israel isn’t the one pulling the strings, the US is.
This isn’t (only) some nefarious Israeli plot. Capitalist states are oligarchies, and the US is the imperial hegemon. The tail isn’t wagging the dog, and the US is largely undermining it’s legitimacy itself. Israel is the US’ unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia, and were there not an Israel, the US would have to invent an Israel. This is business as usual.
The article of the first link really is about aa uncritical and non-nuanced as it gets. Thanks for sharing anyway, there are still some interesting facts to pull from it.
Regardless of the article’s nuance or criticality, Foreign Policy is a major mouthpiece of the US military-industrial complex.