Where do you think the Nazis got the inspiration? The US
Back in reality, we can acknowledge the US’ prison problem without denying the fact that the rise of Trump’s fascism is making it categorically even worse.
I am not okay with the sort of backhanded pro-fascist normalization being insinuated here, and neither should anyone else!
Moreover the ice camps are detaining people who haven’t committed any crime or are alleged to have committed any crime. Illegal immigration is a civil violation. Implying this is the same as prison is actually downplaying this.
The US has been fascist since before it was the US. George Washington ordered the genocide of Indians including destroying all of their food sources. The pilgrims prayed to God at the end of each battle where they slaughtered a village of natives - the prayer was called a thanksgiving. The US built concentration camps for Indians. Thomas Jefferson was a worse person than DJT - Jefferson wanted to outlaw the Transatlantic slave trade to increase demand for “domestically bred” slaves, which he was a magnate of. He ran breeding plantations and kept children, born on his plantations, for his own personal raping pleasure.
At the end of WW2, Truman oversaw the collaboration with the Vatican to save as many Nazis as they could - Operation Paperclip.
The story that fascism is “out there” and we should be worried about it “showing up in here” is a feel-good fairytale. The US has always been the horrible violent racist fascist nation it pretends other nations are.
Fuck you for denying all the progress that’s ever been made fighting against it and normalizing the resurgence of tyranny. You are not entitled to just shit on American leftists and progressives like that!
In addition, by pretending that Trumpism isn’t a regression compared to the RECENT past, you are encouraging complacency in the face of it. That makes you a fascist yourself, despite your false pretense of the opposite.
I’m sorry it makes you so angry to realize that the problem is more fundamental than you thought.
Trump is an emergent phenomenon. He comes from us. He is not a foreign object to be removed, he is a symptom of what our system produces. You cannot simply remove the symptom, you have to cure the disease. For all of the progress you are pointing at, it did nothing to stop this from happening. Biden had kids in solitary confinement and was genociding Gaza. Obama drone strikes weddings and funerals and funerals of the people who were killed at the weddings. Clinton had black house slaves as governor of Arkanas.
If knowing these things makes you complacent, that’s on you. I am calling on you and others like you to take the fight to the root cause and stop wasting your time on the symptoms. The problem is far bigger and older than Trump.
No shit Trump isn’t foreign, but he also isn’t “normal” or a continuation of how the US was in the '90s through 2010s, like you and others in this thread keep trying to falsely insinuate.
Biden did not have ICE thugs kidnapping random brown people off the street. Obama did not try to deorbit satellites and close observatories because factual reality hurt his fragile feelings about climate change. Bill Clinton did not conduct a pogrom against trams people. And none of them attempted a coup or tried to destroy all the checks and balances of our government in order to set themselves up as a dictator with unlimited corruption!
Quit your fucking bullshit, you liars!
No shit Trump isn’t foreign, but he also isn’t “normal” or a continuation of how the US was in the '90s through 2010s, like you and others in this thread keep trying to falsely insinuate.
Trump is one of the US oligarchs, along with Bezos, Gates, Murdoch, Koch, Andreesen, Soros, Buffet, Dimon, the Clintons, and many others. They existed in the 90s through the 2010s. The Democrats watched the Republicans stacking courts with activist judges. They all happily bombed country after country and then fomented racism against the refugees. It’s a continuum for damned sure.
Biden did not have ICE thugs kidnapping random brown people off the street
Correct. That’s an escalation. But ICE detentions under Biden grew by over 50%. Biden had immigrant children in solitary confinement which causes brain damage and is considered a crime against humanity by everyone in the world. Bush and Obama oversaw torture in Guantanamo and international kidnappings of people and even their transportation to CIA black sites around the world so they could be tortured. Every single president escalated. Every one. Not a single president made things better. Trump is the next escalation.
WHY is it that Trump’s escalations seem so much more escalatory? Because the collapse of the US is happening faster than ever. The economy is failing, the US military is failing, the US social fabric is failing, there’s no possibility of a New Deal intervention working under the current national and global economic conditions. The escalation Trump is presiding over is intended ultimately to manage the mass unrest from the fact that none of this can be fixed.
Bill Clinton did not conduct a pogrom against trams people.
That’s because he was busy conducting a pogrom against people with HIV and AIDS. The targets change over time. The depravity stays about the same.
Obama did not try to deorbit satellites and close observatories because factual reality hurt his fragile feelings about climate change
Aside from the psychologizing, I agree with you. But Obama committed the first ever open international murder by the US military of a US citizen. He and Hillary conducted a brutal and devastating campaign to destroy Libya, the most prosperous country on the continent of Africa, and left is in ruin to become an open-air slave market.
Remember, the parties pander to different parts of the population. Environmentalism? That’s D territory. Extractives industry? That’s R territory. But the reality is consistent. US crude oil production expanded 80% under Obama. His manipulation of the shale gas industry exceeded if the industry’s own highest estimates of what they could achieve.
And none of them attempted a coup or tried to destroy all the checks and balances of our government in order to set themselves up as a dictator with unlimited corruption!
That one’s true. No one before Trump in recent times attempted a coup. Bush and Cheney certainly set out to destroy all the checks and balances of our country with goals of unlimited corruption and the unitary executive. The corruption was obscene under them. But more to the point, Obama didn’t do anything to reverse the majority of what Bush did. He relied on the precedents set, just as all the presidents have. Nixon made heroin and cannabis federally illegal in order to manipulate the vote. Everyone in politics has known this for decades. No one has reversed it. Actually, Trump might reverse the cannabis one. Not that this excuses him.
But it shows you how every single president got us here, in order, through increasing escalation. We cannot fix it by just fighting the current administration. Just like you can’t put water back in the reservoir after the dam bursts. You’re sitting here screaming that we have to put the water back in the dam and we’re trying to explain to you that the problem was that the soil the dam was built on was unsuitable for a dam that size in the first place. We have to go back to the original engineering and redesign it. You can’t just put the water back.
And none of them attempted a coup or tried to destroy all the checks and balances of our government in order to set themselves up as a dictator with unlimited corruption!
Bush absolutely destroyed all sorts of checks and balances and got near-limitless power, which has be maintained by every president since. Warrentless wiretapping? Mass surveillance? Authorization to attack every country on earth? Indefinite detention without trial in the torture dungeon at Guantanamo? He was not held accountable for any of it, because as Edward Snowden revealed, Obama wanted to keep most of it going himself. That’s why he became public enemy #1 and was hunted to the ends of the earth.
You wanna talk corruption, who benefited from the multiple wars of aggression Bush started? Oil companies and arms dealers. Nobody else.
We used to have some pretense of civil liberties and privacy, but that was all long gone before Trump ever ran for anything.
Did I fucking say “Bush?”
No, I did not!
You keep using fascist Republicans and ancient history as your examples and then trying to pretend that there’s been no difference when “liberals” have been in charge – a bullshit lie that serves only to promote the right wing. Obviously the Democrats aren’t all that good, but they sure as Hell aren’t the same as the fascists and only a fascist would pretend they were.
No shit Trump isn’t foreign, but he also isn’t “normal” or a continuation of how the US was in the '90s through 2010s,
YES you did fucking say Bush.
Stop trying to downplay the systemic issues in America. Trump is a symptom, once he dies these same issues that predates him will still exist.
Shit no where was Trump even mentioned before you tried to pivot from the issue.
I am not okay with this sort of liberal normalisation of suffering and injustice.
Shit no where was Trump even mentioned before you tried to pivot from the issue.
Any analysis which sees the current moment as something new or a radical departure from the norm is doomed to fail.
I hate to be the one to bring this to your attention, but Trump is in charge in America at the “current moment” and via a radical departure from the norm he’s supplemented historic (and ongoing) atrocities with something new.
Pretending that Trump hasn’t exacerbated the problems in America will get us nowhere and recognizing the current social political reality is not liberal normalization of suffering and injustice.
Your comment is a racist denial of all the progress that’s been made since the '60s and is being undone by Trump.
And the other comment was entirely correct that pretending you weren’t talking about Trump just because you didn’t mention him by name is disingenuous bullshit.
This is one of the worst prisons in America in one of the poorest states, for those who aren’t from the US thinking this is the norm. That said, I fully support CJ reform and situations like this Alabama Prison or the insane schemes Arpaio devised need to be completely eradicated.
Brave
Imagine confusing criminals who prey on victims as political prisioners
Imagine thinking people in prison don’t deserve basic human rights, regardless of their crime.
Where did I say they don’t?
Imagine thinking the large majority of Black People locked up are there for anything but the crime of being black.
How many people are in prison for crimes of poverty, like possession of a controlled substance, loitering/trespass, or public intoxication? “Crimes” with literally no victims
0 people are in prison for loitering, tresspass, or public intox. You have no clue what you are talking about other than making things up
Dude. You’re either totally clueless or willfully ignorant. I work closely with police in my city on homelessness response and can tell you with absolute certainty there are a shit ton of people in jail and prison for these "offenses "
You just did
