• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    Yeah, I never understood why these establishment corporate Democrats respond to Republican criticism by acting more like Republicans. Those psychos have big mouths, but that doesn’t mean that what comes out is worthy of attention.

    Democrats need to learn to say Shut The Fuck Up and Get The Fuck Out, when MAGAs start whining, NOT listen to them.

  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Look at this neo-liberals. This is why those on the left hate you just as much as the conservatives and MAGAt. When it gets down to brass tacks, your leaders are barely better than they are. We’re tired of arguing with you as much as them as well.

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    They’re still courting the mythical “Republican centrist” that just needs a little push to vote Democrat. They’ve learned nothing.

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    Most of the laws that are allowing trump to pull this immigration shit were passed by Democratic administrations. Bidens big strategy was to mock Trump for not deporting as many people as he did.

    But yeah, is the leftists fault that brown people aren’t voting for Democrats.

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      Democrats lose: “It was the left’s fault for not voting for us! We need to be more conservative in our policies!”
      Democrats win: “We did this without the left, we have no need to pass legislation that appeals to them.”

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    The Dems moving their messaging to the right. Overton Window in action. Being proud of the number of lives stopped from being lived is a new low for the DNC.

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    without putting children into detention camps

    Unfortunately this is not true. Obama’s administration put families in detention camps and separated them. It was not used with such fervor, but it was wrong then, too

    We protested this. There were court cases, and the Flores Settlement Agreement essentially ended the policy. But it took public outrage to enact change.

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    Yup. They were just better at being shit. Or nation has no right to deport anyone from the Americas. If someone is fleeing their nation, the US is probably the reason why in the first place.

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      Way to miss the point. Deportation is not always bad. You can have it in a targeted and humane — and righteous — way without terrorizing US citizens and invading American cities and without funding a masked Gestapo apparatus.

      But you were hating that woman first before reading her statement. Please proceed.

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        Smh people just can’t stand to see a girlboss fascist (who had slaves in the 1980s) succeed

        You’re a clown

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        You are stupid and you are wrong. Just to preempt it because I know it’s coming: this is not an ad hominem. You’re not wrong because you’re stupid, you just happen to be both.

        Who do you think laid the foundations for the ICE Gestapo? Was it perhaps the “Deporter-in-Chief” and his party, who repeatedly approved massive funding increases, expanded detention capacity, normalized local–federal cooperation, and stifled every serious attempt to dismantle the apparatus once it existed?

        Hillary bragging about deportation numbers isn’t some abstract endorsement of “targeted and humane” enforcement. She’s boasting about participation in a system that already relied on mass detention, racial profiling, family separation through removal, and routine due-process abuse. The only difference is that under Obama and Clinton it was wrapped in technocratic language and better PR.

        Your chauvinist ass is treating racially targeted state violence as acceptable so long as it’s quiet, bureaucratic, and doesn’t visibly impact white citizens or comfortable middle-class communities. Obama-era deportations didn’t feel like “Gestapo tactics” to you because they were overwhelmingly inflicted on undocumented and non-white migrants, out of sight and off camera. Raids, cages, deportation flights, and shattered families were already happening. You just didn’t care, because it wasn’t framed as a crisis for white Americans.

        It’s peak liberal chauvinism. Migrant lives are disposable, but the moment enforcement becomes louder or uglier, suddenly it’s a problem.

        Also it is objectively, morally and in every other conceivable way correct to hate the Clinton’s, Obama, the Bushes and Reagan alongside basically every high level American politician. They are a cabal of pedophiles who have immiserated the world on an industrial scale for decades.

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        Not always bad? Wtf is that nazi crap?

        Kicking someone to a place where they don’t want to / cannot live is not bad?

        Even if you kick someone out for “right” reasons (which is already not proven to exist) it is still bad, that is the point, if it was something nice it would not be used as a punishment.

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        The US public are quite happy with the way things are going at present and even if the Democratic leadership getting back in would do anything they will use the very same mechanisms that have been put in place over the many years of little changes here and there.

        If the majority of US citizens where not happy with how things where and what’s happening the government would be in complete shutdown with real strikes from every state … but it is not. This is the real United States.

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        “humane concentration camps” Here, right here, is how the anti-vegan discourse creeps into fascism. This might as well have been a vegetarian talking about how their eggs “don’t require chick killing”.

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    Yeah but Bill Clinton began the huge increase in police. Where that and combination of 9/11 has created this vast paramilitarized police force we are still dealing with today. The current iteration of which is the ICE power grab happening.

    I guess not doubling down where there is significant tensions is a slight positive difference.

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      Don’t forget Biden was for the increase in police spending and for making student loan payments harder to discharge through bankruptcy as well as allowing them to be predatory.