Maybe they should try not writing OS code in react. Perhaps they should consider dedicating as many resources to cleaning up code as they do to adding “features.”
I wish windows went down a different path. Instead they decided to double down on ads and ai, because shareholders are more important than the actual customers
Suckers keep using it, so what incentive is there for them to deslopify?
I’d personally rather use a Chromebook than Windows.
Ironically the install ISO actually went up in size from roughly 5.5GB to 7.5GB in the recent months.
All that tracking software is bloated.
Agreed but also have you tried to write a feature with LLMs? It will occasionally just add extra files that do the same thing as one library you already have.
You can even catch it and it will be like oh your right then continue without deleting, so next prompt it decides to use its own library again.
The trick is to tell it what to do and how to do it, not just talk to it like it knows what it’s doing.
People get upset when it can’t complete features based on high level descriptions. They were told it could, after all. “Build be a website that…” However, that will always lead to disaster.
So you go from a legit Developer using their skills refining them day by day to a middle manager who’s just checking the work of the AI workers.
This is the direction of things. On one hand, I’m not a full time developer anymore—after 23 years in the industry. On the other hand, I complete projects 100x faster and have more time for my cat.
But you as someone with the experience can spot the issues and problems when using the tool. That’s because of years of experience, all these newbies are going to be fucked without that experience.
Agreed 100%. There is going to be a problem in the future where people like me are, well, dead. And junior developers never got the hands on experience to learn what I (should) know after so many years.
But, for now, I have to eat. And I no longer care to give my mental health to a project I am not getting an equal share of. So, I am very much enjoying what I can get done.
Humorously, even with near-unlimited power at my fingertips, I still struggle to find any personal projects worth doing. I’ve made a few arcade style phone games and some desktop apps for myself, which are all very nice. But AI cannot write a compelling game story, or design consistent artwork without significant head banging. Sure it can get the ball rolling, but there is always something hollow about it.
If it worked out, the idle Windows 11 RAM usage would’ve been around 4.8GB
That’s still a lot
Last time I booted up Windows 10 it was using around 2.4GB at idle
So Windows 12’s RAM requirement is on track to being almost 10GB unless they cut it back by 20%?
Considering 8GB systems are back in vogue, that’s a fuckload. More than half your ram just going to the computer existing.
Well no, its doing more than just existing, its sending screen shots of your screen to Microsoft, displaying ads, updating advertising ID to allow them to track you across the web, uploading your typing history It all helps shareholders of microslop.
All at a time where I think I’m actually going to switch to Linux.
I just tried out an install on my laptop and boy does it work well even for gaming.
Windows has, nothing I actually need any more?
It feels really big to really leave Windows for good, but, I think it’s going to happen after a bit more testing of my Linux setup.
I told myself I’d give Win11 (using tools to uninstall all the bullshit/tracking) for 3-4 months before seriously considering linux. I made it 3 months, got tired of having to re-uninstall shit I don’t want every update and just flat out wiped the install and installed CachyOS. It’s been perfect, even new game releases like Death Stranding 2 worked out of the box, fuck windows.
Aww yeah love to hear these stories!
Oohh, Bazzite?
Bazzite 🥰
Was it plug and play (relatively) for you? After benchmarking a few games I noticed Bazzite came with a 40% CPU performance reduction compared to w11.
This is why its been announced now. With all the tracking Microsoft has in W11, including being able to track usage to an email account for most, they will have a good idea who has binned windows and who hasn’t.
Its this volume of switching that has them worried enough to actually pretend to fix things. I say pretend as its fairly obvious what they need to remove to reduce the bloat on RAM but their business it tied to it now, like concrete over boots on a mafia snitch.
I have a back up SSD with windows on I swap out to play the very few games that still require it that I just can’t give up. But I don’t have the need to duel boot anymore. I just keep the SSD to scratch my itch
I’m curious what games do you use that still need windows?
You say this as if you have been waiting for it?
You, and I both, know they are going to ask Copilot “What can we eliminate in the code base”.
Don’t use bazzite. Use Mint. Go for the easiest solution. You can get another drive and dual boot later.
Just tell your AI agents to reduce the RAM usage and install size by 20% and let them rip. How hard can it be?
I figure that was the prompt that caused this “bug”
Tell AI to download more RAM
Simple, NoPilot can just erase all your files. Binaries can’t take up memory of they can’t be loaded.
More like tell your users to only run services in the cloud and not to run anything on their own computers.
Oh they’re getting there alright….
Instructions unclear, now
ChromeEdge webview is running every cloud application as a separate electron process
Amateurs. On my personal pc, windows RAM usage is exactly 0.
Windows 11 is not based on a single unified UI framework. Instead, it uses a mix of legacy Win32 components, UWP elements, modern WinUI layers, and web-based technologies like WebView2 and React.
I am reading this as MMC snap-ins and control panel. There is no other alternative to manage these settings outside of PowerShell.
Also, what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time? Sometimes I would like to be in Windows update, power settings, Ethernet settings, and printer settings all at once.
I hate how the settings app is taking over control panel entries to make them worse and show me the original control panel window after going down 3 levels because the stupid fucks can’t design UI for shit.
Thankfully, you can still get to a lot of them if you know the name of the control panel applet.
Want to see the advanced settings for a network adapter?
Good luck finding it, fucko
Fighting with their shitty “new” UI trying to find the old Sound UI to fix an issue that their new UI doesn’t even have a toggle for really chapped my ass.
This bullshit right here is what finally pushed me over the edge and into the warm embrace of a penguin.
Apparently there’s a ton of CBT involved in doing anything in the new Settings app, so it makes sense to only bring over the things you absolutely have to and then send people to the old control panel for the rest.
Computer based training? Cognitive behavior therapy? Cock and ball torture?
That last one.
Like windows 2000 to XP or Vista to 7… 10 to 11
The eternal enshitification…
Vista to 7
enshitification
Lol, lmao even
7 was better than vista in just about every way.
They decided it because there are so many duplicate Settings pages controlling the same thing.
There are over 12 different places to change USB power save settings
Insert XKCD one more standard.
I’m all for revamping controls, but don’t make crappier less effective ones.
Easily propagated with windows messaging apis.
That requires work for every single page.
They clearly would rather not
In an OS literally named "Windows " lol
Macrohard Window
MacroHard Doors. When one door closes, you’re locked in. Why? Cause fuck you, that’s why.
Also, what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time?
Microsoft engineers were worried that people missed the joys of MS-DOS and having only one application running at once. Next up, will be the return of base memory versus expanded memory versus extended memory. This ends when they devolve Windows to prove Bill Gates right that 640kB should be enough memory for anyone.
I’ve got my autoexec.bat and config.sys ready to go.
what idiot decided that only one settings window is allowed open at one time?
Microsoft’s army of macbook-using UI “designers” who have to justify their salary so they make up shit nobody wants
There’s some very aggressive autocorrect programs that seem to be bloating all their current software. They should start with taking those out.
I forsee in the future Microsoft implementing a core electron service, one electron instance that is persistant and just runs, but sandboxes every app that calls it. so instead of an electron instance per app, its just an electron instance that has sandboxed pages that are only managable by the parent process.
it would still be pretty bloaty but, since core structure should only be present in the parent process, hopefully it would be less bloaty
Obvious course of events considering how the commodity PC market is essentially cut off from RAM supply for an indeterminate number of years with no respite in sight. Memory isn’t cheap anymore, and if they kept making Windows 11 as they used to it won’t be long before PCs in the market are simply left unable to run the OS at all.
They already know that the solution exists in their Windows for Legacy PCs but they don’t care about it and will waste their time and money going in a loop.
That is why they needed outside help to get Windows for Legacy PCs to hit their memory target
Windows for Legacy PCs
Low-margin product with no feasible return over the costs it takes to build and maintain. Windows 11 meanwhile is the main advertising and cross-selling platform for Microsoft’s high-margin cloud and AI products. Little wonder they prefer one over the other.
They have no choice but to do so in order to increase the user number of Windows 11. Since RAM prices are high, users will only be able to afford low-spec RAM once support for Windows 10 ends. Otherwise, they would not upgrade to Windows 11, but would instead switch to Linux or Mac, or stick with Windows 10.
they would not upgrade to Windows 11, but would instead switch to Linux or Mac
Absolute win.
It worked well with just 64MB of RAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Fundamentals_for_Legacy_PCs
So they easily can get the memory footprint down to the floor
A thin client? Sure, you can get it down that far if you don’t want to run anything but the remote desktop software.
