One about killed a woman by not identifying her pregnancy is ectopic. Many anti abortion folks are convinced that even ectopic pregnancies can be viable.
These places promise things like free pregnancy tests and medical advice to get people in the door.
They really just exist to pressure women into not getting abortions. They will lie through their teeth - all the classics, like suggesting that an abortion makes it impossible to get pregnant again, or that abortion causes cancer - they’ll say anything to prevent an abortion.
They are pretty much completely unregulated, and present themselves as secular non profits.
Historically, many hospitals (and schools too) are created by religious organizations, so I’m unsure how useful this is on its own. How can one tell if one such health center truly is about caring for their patients, versus a religious outreach that happens to provide healthcare?
Many “centers” in the US are religious organizations pretending to not pump their own religion: Alcoholics Anonymous, Boy Scouts of America, Salvation Army, Scientology has a bunch of these, too. And Mormons.
The BSA is a multi-religion organization. The only requirement is that you believe in a higher power, and even that’s not a big deal if you don’t go off about being atheist all the time.
In my country, you go to jail if you provide medical care while not being a physician
The same is true here. The point is that they do not provide any medical care.
Ah, but they don’t actually provide any medical services. They just lie and say that they do.
If all they do is counseling and give advice, does that count?
In the story I linked, they gave a woman an ultrasound and confirmed to her that it was an intrauterine pregnancy. That seems to be “practicing medicine” to me.
The question is did they actually know that it was ectopic and lied to her (because the religious right is doing a huge push right now to convince people that ectopic pregnancies are somehow survivable), or did they lie to her about the ultrasound, or did they just fuck it up entirely?
All three extremely disturbing, and probably all three happening daily at this evil places.
Evil.
Seriously, the USA is becoming more and more like Gilead in The Handmaid’s Tale
*afghanistan but different breed of religion
Well in Gilead, wouldn’t a woman need permission to have sex?
Have you seen the latest louis theraux docu about the manospere? They literally say that. More than 40% of young males think these people make positive messages.
and 90% of statistics are made up
Doesn’t everyone need permission to have sex? From the person they’re having sex with, no doubt…
Who else could they be claiming someone would need permission from?
I was sent to a Christian (Baptist leaning) high school and in 9th grade instead of sex ed we had an abstinence unit in health class where they brought in 2 people (one man and one woman) from some outside organization to speak to us about abstinence. So boys and girls were split up and they tried to “encourage us to ask honest questions.” Some of the things that the girls were told is:
- Pregnancy dangerous. Abstinence is the best contraceptive
- Think of your future husband. Don’t you want to share that special bond with him? If you give yourself to someone before marriage then you won’t be able to give your entire self to your husband later
- Casual sex will make it so you can’t enjoy married life later
- Don’t dress slutty or you’ll tempt men. Even if your bf is a good Christian man, you shouldn’t tempt him like that
The boys were apparently told similar things except that there was a big emphasis on how masturbation and porn count as no longer being abstinent bc they’ll be sex and porn addicts. Then the male speaker spoke to the boys and girls together about stds and how if you have sex with one person then you’ve basically had sex with anyone they’ve had sex with, so you’ve basically fucked 1,000 people. We were literally told that
Ironically, the female speaker was pregnant (married) and the male speaker told us how his wife didn’t wait till marriage and she had to pray super hard and luckily God answered her prayers and let her enjoy married life like she had been abstinent (whatever the fuck that means??)
So basically, as women we were straight up told to consider the feelings of a theoretical future husband and let that determine our actions :/
Then the male speaker spoke to the boys and girls together about stds and how if you have sex with one person then you’ve basically had sex with anyone they’ve had sex with, so you’ve basically fucked 1,000 people.
I was taught this in public school.
I grew up in a christian environment too (non-denominational, but beneath the surface it was baptist-leaning, though I didn’t realize that till much later; I was just told it was “true christianity” because it wasn’t adulterated with any “denominational doctrines.” Spoiler: it was).
Anyway, I was homeschooled in elementary and part of middle school. I was given puberty books from a christian publisher that told me things like “masturbation is a sin because sex is supposed to be between husband and wife, not you and yourself” and “your parents might sound crazy sometimes, but that’s actually because you’re loopy from hormones and your parents are actually always right about everything.”
Then I joined a church youth group, and we were told similar things to what you were saying. The old “duct tape and lint” analogy, the “you have to be faithful to your future spouse” gimmick. Of course talking about pregnancy and stds, the failure rate of condoms, how viruses are smaller than sperm so they can apparently fit through the condom easier…
I don’t think they separated us by gender for those talks, maybe because none of the youth group leaders were women (the women prepared the meals, though, obviously…). So as far as I’m aware the girls weren’t told anything different from what the boys were.
There was a dress code, especially when it came to swimming, which mostly applied to the girls, but boys wouldn’t have been allowed to wear crop tops or bikinis either even if we wanted to. I don’t know exactly what messaging the girls received about it because it wasn’t directed at me so I didn’t internalize it. But there was a lot of general undertones of bodily shame to go around.
So yeah, it sucks that we were programmed with that messaging at an age when our minds and self-identities were still developing. But it doesn’t have to be a “guys vs. girls” thing. It happened to both of us, and we can heal from that without blaming the other gender. Otherwise, the programming wins by keeping us separate, as a perpetual “wedge” placed between us by that messaging we received growing up…
I know that in the past there have been cult deprogramming communities that were run by some cult-like christian organizations that preyed on those that were at their most vulnerable. Real bottom feeder scum behaviour.
Religous people “We’re honest hardworking people!”
Proceed to lie and deceive about everything.
Are there any legitimate crisis pregnancy centers? I’ve never seen one, only the tricksters practicing medicine in ways they should not legally be allowed to do.
Mostly Planned Parenthood. There are a few other places, but they have less to spend on advertising.
I’ve thought about calling up a few as a trans man to see how they’d respond. The reaction would probably help identify how legitimate they were.
By definition, no. Legitimate women’s healthcare providers don’t call themselves “crisis pregnancy centers.” Instead, they use other labels, ranging from “family planning” to “abortion clinic.”
these places are vile and need to all be shut down. Stick to Planned Parenthood if you can.
Pretty sure I heard mamdani was closing them all in new York. Yeah they are everywhere
There’s a crisis bus in my town that offers “abortion reversals”
Um. More sex?
I offer that in my house, results not guaranteed but free admission
