• Damaskox@lemmy.world
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    It is tricky, yes.

    If you happen to be able to participate in events that are free however, you have more options.

  • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip
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    Sounds a bit extreme. What about all the things you can do for free? Also, the world needs cheap things to keep everyone spending. I’m pretty sure there will always be at least something even the poor can afford.

  • OwOarchist@pawb.social
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    Eh, yes and no.

    People often don’t really appreciate how much freedom they have until it’s taken away.

    But even with no money at all, I have a bike, and I can ride it as far as I care to in any direction I want (well, at least until I hit a border). And that is so much more freedom than I’ve had at other points in my life.

  • Cochise@lemmy.eco.br
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    Yeah. Marx called it formal vs. real freedom. All the people are free to sleep under the bridges or at a five star penthouse. But some are forced to sleep under the bridge and only a few have means to exercise the freedom to enter the penthouse.

    • Marx misses the point of equality and conflates it with equity. In the ideal u have the freedom to work hard get well educated and make a shitonne of money then have the freedom that grants. Or u can choose to be lazy and not do any of that. It’s your choice.

      We live in a society with a lot of equality almost anyone smart enough can work hard enough to get themselves out of almost any situation.

      It is entirely within your choice to live under a bridge. And if unit truly isn’t then it was ur genetics that denied you the possibility to do better at which point we have to start talking about Charles Darwin.

      • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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        We live in a society with a lot of equality almost anyone smart enough can work hard enough to get themselves out of almost any situation

        [Citation Needed]

        The problem with statements like this is tautological. If somebody can’t get themselves out of a situation, one can just breezily dismiss it by saying that they didn’t work hard enough.

        It’s why I think that we need to send Elon Musk to colonize Mars. By himself. He’s a self-made job creator, so he can start up a successful business first, create those jobs, and then send for workers later, right? He wouldn’t even need heavy, expensive life support equipment!

        If you think that this is ridiculous, then you have to concede that there are actually some structural obstacles that can’t be overcome by any amount of gumption. (And is it really just a lack of effort that explains why nobody born in Soweto in 1971 is a near-trillionaire?)

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          My experience and all the people I’ve spoken to throughout my life. Not 1 single person in a shut scenario didn’t have options to negate or escape said scenario.

          The problem with statements like this is tautological. If somebody can’t get themselves out of a situation, one can just breezily dismiss it by saying that they didn’t work hard enough.

          Or they weren’t smart enough. Or they where not fit (in the Darwinian sense) enough to get out of it.

          It’s why I think that we need to send Elon Musk to colonize Mars. By himself. He’s a self-made job creator, so he can start up a successful business first, create those jobs, and then send for workers later, right? He wouldn’t even need heavy, expensive life support equipment!

          That’s an excellent strawman. He went from a middle class situation (similar to thousands of people of people myself included) to the worlds richest man. He was not handed everything he has on a platter. He admittedly started with more than most but he still did infinitely better than anyone else born to similar level of advantage.

          If you think that this is ridiculous, then you have to concede that there are actually some structural obstacles that can’t be overcome by any amount of gumption.

          Their absolutely are structural obstacles just that these obstacles are infinitely less than previous. I mean by your logic we claim claim that the dictatorial control of Iran by the iatola is a structural obstacle and justify trumps actions in Iran hell we can justify the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Japan or go a step further and justify Hitlers actions as he confiscating property from an entire class of people and redistributed to those with less this still counts as removing structural obstacles regardless of the morality of such actions. Blind adherence to your argument takes us to a very dark place very quickly.

          And is it really just a lack of effort that explains why nobody born in Soweto in 1971 is a near-trillionaire?

          I want u to go to south Africa on Google street view and scroll back through time just looking at the streets and what u see. Then I want u to think about why the changes ur witnessing have happened and what changed into the period of time for which these changes happened (demographic changes might be a good indicator).

  • daannii@lemmy.world
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    It’s like having health insurance but you can’t afford the copays. Then you don’t really have health insurance do you ?

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    Slavery evolved and took on new names, but never disappeared.

    How much do you have saved up, that you’re willing to tap into so that you can live for yourself and others, and not a paycheck? How long could you just exist before the debt becomes crushing? That’s the length of your leash.

    Retired people who live comfortably are basically ‘off leash’ but still confined to the yard. Some people have a 1-2 week ‘leash’. Some may have saved up enough to have a 6-12 month 'leash The rest are the ‘i could stop working whenever I want, but refuse to’ or ‘man I’m so fucking far in debt that I’ll never be able to stop fucking working’

    Most people will never be able to stop working because I’m a slave based economy, a slave must earn it’s food every day, and it’s bed every night.

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        I get what you’re saying, but I think it’d be better phrased as ‘the system’ (rich people) don’t want you to live.

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          The system is designed so that you must prove your worth every day, and provide more profit than you take in wages, every day. It was designed to exploit you for everything you have to offer.

          If you continue to adhere to the same system, your best case scenario is to be ‘allowed’ a peaceful death after a lifetime of doing everything ‘right’.

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          I often hear that phrase from parents. Its not entirely rich people reinforcing the system. Until everyone has stopped being capitalism-pilled, we’re cooked.

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    “It is difficult for me to imagine what ‘personal liberty’ is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread.”

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    Yup. I remember a friend and I discussing various forms of freedoms: Freedom of speech, religion, privacy, etc. We tried to rank them by importance, and while I cannot remember our conclusions, I remember “Economic freedom” to be among the most important ones.

    A person should have disposable income and freedom to spent it how they want.

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      i like to think it’s not “disposable” income that is spent on things required for life, hunger, house, health. those things should be provided. and those industries not allowed to profit. and be owned by the workers.

  • snek_boi@lemmy.ml
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    This is part of the idea of “freedom as development”, where development is the expansion of your capabilities! This was put into words by Amartya Sen over the last century. Check out human development!