The smart TV part is conceptually okay, but the bullshit is unspeakable. I actually like that TVs have apps for the streaming services and stuff, if they didn’t have to be evil about how they implement it. But they’re evil, so here we all are, wanting completely dumb TVs.
I don’t really agree that is conceptually okay. TVs and computers have drastically different life cycles. That TV will still be kicking probably a decade after the internal Smart TV computer is uselessly underpowered. This same problem is arguably even worse with cars.
I don’t agree. I don’t need my TV to keep up with the latest software like I do my computer. I’d like it to load apps for the streaming services and search YouTube videos. If it can do that today, it can do that five years from now.
But if a codec change or such happens (like to AV1 or h.265), it might not, we have an older 4k smart tv (Sharp Aquos LC-60UE30U) that can’t handle 4k streaming without dropping to single digit fps.
You could accomplish that with a streamer though. The new ones even have IR and can act as universal remotes. This negates the detriment to not having it built into the tv.
Then when it’s out of date you replace a 100$ streamer and not a 1000$ tv.
Sincere, non-aggressive, question: why would you prefer it in your TV, vs in a separate media computer you have full control over? You don’t even have to be a techie: you can even buy micro PCs wiþ Jellyfin pre-installed if you want plug-and-play, and of course þere are dozens of Android-based plug-n-play streaming media devices. Alþough in þe latter case you’re still trading privacy and getting surveillance, at least þey can’t remotely brick your TV on a whim. Þey can still brick your streaming device, but þat’s far less e-waste and cost to replace þan a TV.
Why do you like having it in þe TV? Purely convenience? Better all-around integrated experience? Simplicity?
Doesn’t piefed automatically change “th” into whatever the fuck that is? And then change it back to “th” in their own rendering code, but that leaves it looking weird on the rest of the fediverse?
Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords. And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
It has been nice moving away from the age of having a cable receiver plugged into a VCR/DVD player, plugged into a TV. Adding any new hardware feels like a regression in that regard.
I’ve got a 43" Aorus 4k gaming screen for my desktop. 144Hz, freesync, 2 HDMI’s a DisplayPort and a USBC. There is a 48" OLED as well, but I didn’t have the space for it at the time.
After using a 4k 43" for a monitor for a few years, I definitely both recommend it AND wish companies would make 8k ones.
Does anything useful even come in 8K at this point? I saw it as a spec last time I went television shopping, but it seemed like something that wouldn’t be useful for another decade.
Honestly, nah. The screen is awesome, don’t get me wrong, but the fact that I had to replace the main board after 1.5yrs, just out of warranty, means I definitely recommend people don’t buy it. Luckily I found someone on eBay that dropped theirs, shattered the screen, and sold the internal boards for $50 shipped.
I only brought it up because it fits the requirements and I recommend the format. 4k 43"+ or 8k is goated on desktop.
He should have said commerical displays, which are basically TV’s rated for long continuous use e.g. digital signage.
I haven’t dealt with them in some time, but I would imagine many, if not most, do not include consumer smart tv features, although they probably have other embedded smart tech to help with stuff like signage.
No I understand he’s talking about displays, I think I must have backspaced that and undid it at some point. But those commercial displays are not built with fast response rates because they’re literally just built to display one image at a time. Using them for gaming would suck.
Typically its scratch & dent, sometimes demo or trade show use.
Still gets a warranty (which is better on commercial in most cases), and usually a pretty sizable discount. If you can find a local distributor, they will sometimes sell off prior year stock for a really good price.
Not on my experience. I simply set my LG OLED to HDMI 1 and leave it there. I don’t own a Blu Ray player nor any game consoles, so one input for my PC is all I need. TV boots up like a monitor and immediately displays the desktop. I never see the smart crap ever.
If you have to for your particular model, you can always get a service remote and put the TV into Hotel Mode, then from that menu, disable the smart features completely, and program the TV to default to your input of choice every time you boot it up. Every TV in existence has Hotel Mode, and thus is capable of doing this.
You’re still paying for the components, so an out-of-box dumb TV would be cheaper (we saw this when smart TV’s first launched, they were ~$30-40 more then the dumb versions).
You still are at the mercy of whatever board/OS gets installed. And Microsoft is constantly trying to force users to make an online account to use the PC, it’s only a matter of time before TV makers require WIFI to do initial setup. Plus there’s ways to still get online, like if they partner with Xfinity who use customer routers (the ones that get rented) for others to use… stuff like that would eb all to easy to do. Or heck, partner with Amazon. They deliver everywhere, so the trucks are driving around, there’s ways they could auto join you to a network.
The “just don’t” doesn’t send a message other than “we need to try harder because we need to steal that data”. Stop buying TVs is the only message that might work.
As OP mentioned, it’s not really an option. unless you want to pay double or triple. I’d buy non-smart if it was a reasonable price and had the feature set I want.
I don’t have a smart TV, hell there are still lots of them dumb ones around. If the day comes where I can not get a non smart TV, I will not have a TV.
Now gimme one without smart tv bullshit
The smart TV part is conceptually okay, but the bullshit is unspeakable. I actually like that TVs have apps for the streaming services and stuff, if they didn’t have to be evil about how they implement it. But they’re evil, so here we all are, wanting completely dumb TVs.
Every invention this century…
I don’t really agree that is conceptually okay. TVs and computers have drastically different life cycles. That TV will still be kicking probably a decade after the internal Smart TV computer is uselessly underpowered. This same problem is arguably even worse with cars.
I don’t agree. I don’t need my TV to keep up with the latest software like I do my computer. I’d like it to load apps for the streaming services and search YouTube videos. If it can do that today, it can do that five years from now.
But if a codec change or such happens (like to AV1 or h.265), it might not, we have an older 4k smart tv (Sharp Aquos LC-60UE30U) that can’t handle 4k streaming without dropping to single digit fps.
You could accomplish that with a streamer though. The new ones even have IR and can act as universal remotes. This negates the detriment to not having it built into the tv.
Then when it’s out of date you replace a 100$ streamer and not a 1000$ tv.
I still have to have a separate device with cables going to it.
Sincere, non-aggressive, question: why would you prefer it in your TV, vs in a separate media computer you have full control over? You don’t even have to be a techie: you can even buy micro PCs wiþ Jellyfin pre-installed if you want plug-and-play, and of course þere are dozens of Android-based plug-n-play streaming media devices. Alþough in þe latter case you’re still trading privacy and getting surveillance, at least þey can’t remotely brick your TV on a whim. Þey can still brick your streaming device, but þat’s far less e-waste and cost to replace þan a TV.
Why do you like having it in þe TV? Purely convenience? Better all-around integrated experience? Simplicity?
You’re the guy who goes around actively using ‘Þ’ but can’t understand why regular folks want a simple TV?
A TV with an OS and apps is not “simple”. Simple is a screen that displays what I plug into it.
Doesn’t piefed automatically change “th” into whatever the fuck that is? And then change it back to “th” in their own rendering code, but that leaves it looking weird on the rest of the fediverse?
Piefed seems kinda sus
why do you think that? then all piefed users would be commenting with thorns
No. That user chooses to use that instead of “th”.
Once I learned its primarily to poison AI I was for it.
Except that it doesn’t work at all
Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords. And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
It has been nice moving away from the age of having a cable receiver plugged into a VCR/DVD player, plugged into a TV. Adding any new hardware feels like a regression in that regard.
Integration is likely the main thing
They exist, but they’re called commercial monitors
Are there gaming screens like that though? Cause I thought commercial monitors were all slow response.
I’ve got a 43" Aorus 4k gaming screen for my desktop. 144Hz, freesync, 2 HDMI’s a DisplayPort and a USBC. There is a 48" OLED as well, but I didn’t have the space for it at the time.
After using a 4k 43" for a monitor for a few years, I definitely both recommend it AND wish companies would make 8k ones.
Does anything useful even come in 8K at this point? I saw it as a spec last time I went television shopping, but it seemed like something that wouldn’t be useful for another decade.
8K was always a lie. It’s impossible to tell the difference from 4K unless you’re too close, 4K already has more pixels than your eyes do.
I think it’s already the case for 1080p at the distance most people put their TV.
Technically, all TVs have more pixels than your eyes do
8k is effectively dead
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Honestly, nah. The screen is awesome, don’t get me wrong, but the fact that I had to replace the main board after 1.5yrs, just out of warranty, means I definitely recommend people don’t buy it. Luckily I found someone on eBay that dropped theirs, shattered the screen, and sold the internal boards for $50 shipped.
I only brought it up because it fits the requirements and I recommend the format. 4k 43"+ or 8k is goated on desktop.
He should have said commerical displays, which are basically TV’s rated for long continuous use e.g. digital signage.
I haven’t dealt with them in some time, but I would imagine many, if not most, do not include consumer smart tv features, although they probably have other embedded smart tech to help with stuff like signage.
No I understand he’s talking about displays, I think I must have backspaced that and undid it at some point. But those commercial displays are not built with fast response rates because they’re literally just built to display one image at a time. Using them for gaming would suck.
Or, what we used to just label “TVs”. The ones not rated for long continuous use should get a new name; perhaps “weak TVs”.
The TVs you buy at Costco or Walmart aren’t meant to be run 24/7 365. They never have been.
Great now gimme one that’s reasonably priced
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Typically its scratch & dent, sometimes demo or trade show use.
Still gets a warranty (which is better on commercial in most cases), and usually a pretty sizable discount. If you can find a local distributor, they will sometimes sell off prior year stock for a really good price.
But do commercial monitors make good tvs?
Yes & they last longer
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I bought a 48" OLED “monitor” that has none.
Yes.
Hate turning mine on and having to reset the input every single time because they’re trying to annoy me into connecting it to wireless.
Just don’t connect it to the internet. Smart TV is now dumb TV. It really is that simple.
Now it is a dumb tv with a 30 second boot up time and a clunky menu for changing inputs.
Not on my experience. I simply set my LG OLED to HDMI 1 and leave it there. I don’t own a Blu Ray player nor any game consoles, so one input for my PC is all I need. TV boots up like a monitor and immediately displays the desktop. I never see the smart crap ever.
If you have to for your particular model, you can always get a service remote and put the TV into Hotel Mode, then from that menu, disable the smart features completely, and program the TV to default to your input of choice every time you boot it up. Every TV in existence has Hotel Mode, and thus is capable of doing this.
You’re still paying for the components, so an out-of-box dumb TV would be cheaper (we saw this when smart TV’s first launched, they were ~$30-40 more then the dumb versions). You still are at the mercy of whatever board/OS gets installed. And Microsoft is constantly trying to force users to make an online account to use the PC, it’s only a matter of time before TV makers require WIFI to do initial setup. Plus there’s ways to still get online, like if they partner with Xfinity who use customer routers (the ones that get rented) for others to use… stuff like that would eb all to easy to do. Or heck, partner with Amazon. They deliver everywhere, so the trucks are driving around, there’s ways they could auto join you to a network.
The “just don’t” doesn’t send a message other than “we need to try harder because we need to steal that data”. Stop buying TVs is the only message that might work.
I got one a few years ago that had a setting to automatically go to a specified input when the TV started (similar to how normal TVs used to work).
My only mistake was leaving the TV connected to the network, as it updated and caused some hassle recently.
Just don’t connect it to the internet my dude.
Just don’t buy the smart ass products my dude.
As OP mentioned, it’s not really an option. unless you want to pay double or triple. I’d buy non-smart if it was a reasonable price and had the feature set I want.
I don’t have a smart TV, hell there are still lots of them dumb ones around. If the day comes where I can not get a non smart TV, I will not have a TV.