Right wing in general is full of the easily deceived and hateful.
2 main tactics used is to either convince the stupid people you’re on their side helping them with their ideals, or that the things they hate are a threat and you’re the only one who can save them.
It’s a shame it’s turned into this, and that right wing went so crazy that left wing is now just about not letting them destroy the world.
They do think abortion is killing babies, just unborn babies. That’s what half the argument comes down to. One side thinks it’s “should it be legal to kill unborn babies?” and the other side thinks it’s “should it be legal to end your pregnancy before it’s a baby?” And it’s hard to find a middle ground because the former thinks they’re babies as soon as they’re conceived and the latter thinks it’s a good way later down the road.
Personally, I just don’t think pregnant women need legal restrictions here. I imagine, ultra-conservatives think that more liberal women just have tons of unprotected sex and gladly risk getting pregnant, because they can just get an abortion.
But I’ve never seen that actually being a thing. Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. And if they do get pregnant, I have never heard of any woman, who took the decision to get an abortion lightly.
I believe that no woman will apply a lower moral standard to her unborn baby (or not-yet-baby, whatever) than our moral standards for human life in general.
Outright prohibiting abortion is not a higher moral standard, because you’ll have many cases where the outcome is worse for everyone involved, e.g. when the baby is already dead, but cannot be removed.
This is so worthwhile talking about. I used to struggle with this stuff quite a bit until realising what you’ve said here. The right frequently seems to mischaracterise pro-choice as pro-abortion, and that is completely wrong. No one likes abortion. And yet, it happens. Conservatives should do some introspection on those two facts.
I completely disagree with you, but please explain in which cases you feel fetuses deserve rights and in which ones you feel don’t and why only some fetuses deserve rights.
They constantly talk about how people want to extend abortions into the entire pregnancy like that’s actually a thing. Maybe the first person is doing it on purpose fucking with the fact that any sane person would let an invalid/lethal pregnancy go to save the mother’s life but the goons who listen to that crap don’t check.
My wife’s born again idiot ex-friend who came to visit her and tell her she’s a baby killer (never had an abortion, but is pro-choice) insisted people are aborting babies at 9 months.
Yeah, that’s what I told my mom. She tried to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. They wouldn’t just deliver the baby and let someone adopt it if the birth parents don’t want it. No, they’ll kill the baby mid-delivery. I hate that it’s my mom, but some people can’t be reasoned with.
I started asking for examples of when that happened.
It’s funny how angry people get when you ask them for proof of their ridiculous claim. Especially when they start insisting they have the proof, they just don’t feel like sharing “because of your attitude” and when it gets to that point I just openly start laughing at them.
That’s the problem with cultists. They believe everything without proof to the point they believe proof is wrong somehow. Like the only valid beliefs are ones that are taken on faith and run counter to all logic and reason.
After all, if everything you believe isn’t totally bullshit, how can you claim you have faith?
My mother STILL believes that “partial birth abortion” is a thing. Like, at one point she literally believed doctors would use a reflex-testing mallet to smash in a baby’s skull as it was being born. I heard these words come out of her mouth when I was a child.
Now she just thinks they use a surgical hose to suck the brain out as it’s coming out.
My mother in law also threatened to not come to the wedding because I made a pro-choice post on social media. It was literally my only post of the year, because I only keep the account for messaging family. She insisted I’m a baby killer. She also thinks someday she and her family will be dragged out in the street and executed for being christian.
Did anti-abortion camp really think abortion is killing infant?
In the same way they believe the civil war was about states’ rights.
They’re lying to make their position seem less outrageous.
Some of them, yeah. A lot of them are just dumb as rocks, and have been duped into thinking that what they’re doing is moral.
Right wing in general is full of the easily deceived and hateful.
2 main tactics used is to either convince the stupid people you’re on their side helping them with their ideals, or that the things they hate are a threat and you’re the only one who can save them.
It’s a shame it’s turned into this, and that right wing went so crazy that left wing is now just about not letting them destroy the world.
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There is no left wing party in the USA. We have a center-right party and a far-right party.
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They do think abortion is killing babies, just unborn babies. That’s what half the argument comes down to. One side thinks it’s “should it be legal to kill unborn babies?” and the other side thinks it’s “should it be legal to end your pregnancy before it’s a baby?” And it’s hard to find a middle ground because the former thinks they’re babies as soon as they’re conceived and the latter thinks it’s a good way later down the road.
Personally, I just don’t think pregnant women need legal restrictions here. I imagine, ultra-conservatives think that more liberal women just have tons of unprotected sex and gladly risk getting pregnant, because they can just get an abortion.
But I’ve never seen that actually being a thing. Women will generally use some form of contraception to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. And if they do get pregnant, I have never heard of any woman, who took the decision to get an abortion lightly.
I believe that no woman will apply a lower moral standard to her unborn baby (or not-yet-baby, whatever) than our moral standards for human life in general.
Outright prohibiting abortion is not a higher moral standard, because you’ll have many cases where the outcome is worse for everyone involved, e.g. when the baby is already dead, but cannot be removed.
Hence why some people are talking about targeting contraception.
This is so worthwhile talking about. I used to struggle with this stuff quite a bit until realising what you’ve said here. The right frequently seems to mischaracterise pro-choice as pro-abortion, and that is completely wrong. No one likes abortion. And yet, it happens. Conservatives should do some introspection on those two facts.
And now the hard question, when does it become a baby?
At some point between conception and birth, range inclusive.
I don’t know. I’m not an expert, and the only experience I had with it was before I can remember.
I think science cannot answer either, it’s all continuous, so legal limits are rather arbitrary based on what’s socially accepted.
abortion should only be allowed for special cases
edit: or a license
I agree. Special cases should include a person being pregnant and not wanting to carry the pregnancy to term.
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Please tell me you’re not actually serious.
I completely disagree with you, but please explain in which cases you feel fetuses deserve rights and in which ones you feel don’t and why only some fetuses deserve rights.
They constantly talk about how people want to extend abortions into the entire pregnancy like that’s actually a thing. Maybe the first person is doing it on purpose fucking with the fact that any sane person would let an invalid/lethal pregnancy go to save the mother’s life but the goons who listen to that crap don’t check.
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Someone should slap your father for not having the common decency to wipe you on the curtains.
How rude!
Yes, you are.
But I called you it first, tho
My wife’s born again idiot ex-friend who came to visit her and tell her she’s a baby killer (never had an abortion, but is pro-choice) insisted people are aborting babies at 9 months.
Removing the baby at 9 months is just called giving birth.
Yeah, that’s what I told my mom. She tried to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. They wouldn’t just deliver the baby and let someone adopt it if the birth parents don’t want it. No, they’ll kill the baby mid-delivery. I hate that it’s my mom, but some people can’t be reasoned with.
I started asking for examples of when that happened.
It’s funny how angry people get when you ask them for proof of their ridiculous claim. Especially when they start insisting they have the proof, they just don’t feel like sharing “because of your attitude” and when it gets to that point I just openly start laughing at them.
That’s the problem with cultists. They believe everything without proof to the point they believe proof is wrong somehow. Like the only valid beliefs are ones that are taken on faith and run counter to all logic and reason.
After all, if everything you believe isn’t totally bullshit, how can you claim you have faith?
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My mother STILL believes that “partial birth abortion” is a thing. Like, at one point she literally believed doctors would use a reflex-testing mallet to smash in a baby’s skull as it was being born. I heard these words come out of her mouth when I was a child.
Now she just thinks they use a surgical hose to suck the brain out as it’s coming out.
My mother in law also threatened to not come to the wedding because I made a pro-choice post on social media. It was literally my only post of the year, because I only keep the account for messaging family. She insisted I’m a baby killer. She also thinks someday she and her family will be dragged out in the street and executed for being christian.
Yes
If it’s talking to you, it’s a toddler. And all the fucking guns are killing most of those.
People talk to me all the time. I can’t make sense of what they’re saying. Are they toddlers?
Speaking only for myself, yes.
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