So same story since the fucking 90s? Some ccg players are fucking stanky.
no one mentioned some of them are doing this on purpose to force the opposite player to make mistakes during a match because of the distracting smell, or make them concede because they cant stand the smell.
This is what happens when you add Mai Valentine to the supporting cast of the manga/anime.
Get your head out of the gutter, I meant because she used to scent mark her cards to give herself a strategic advantage.
Scent mark with perfume, Geez.
It’s a rule by Konami. You need to have basic hygiene. Nothing unusual here.
I respect their bluntness
It’s always the one you expect.
TCG games just attract people that are 150 pounds overweight and smell like cat piss.
thier own sweat and mildew, cat piss will actually burn your eyes.
Um it’s a ferret not a cat.
So does Rugby
Somehow I don’t imagine the two sports are comparable.
I’d love to see a crossover event though.
At least the rugby boys play slap-ass in the changeroom showers after the game
And them being overweight affects others’ enjoyment of the game how exactly? Showering and deodorant are basic courtesy but why exactly is the player’s body shape an issue?
Being overweight exacerbates many health issues, so you’re more likely and prone to experience things that can lead to bad odors. Sweating being just one of many. You would need to clean more often as a result. It’s also harder to clean (more surface area, harder to reach spots). So, indirectly, it matters.
Being overweight itself isn’t an issue, but it does tend to cause more sweating.
Hey that’s not cool! Being smelly is a strategy for winning! It throws your opponent’s off! If I want to stink, I should be allowed to! /s (Joking)
There was a (fake) strategy to get people in yu-gi-oh to concede the game, using 2 cards, and covering your hand in your own actual shit.
…well I’m off to stab my own eyes out and drown myself in a pool of bleach.
Part of the meta-game strategy
I stopped attending local MtG events many years ago because of this one cadre of assholes who not only had obnoxious personalities but also smelled like they carried old onions and dog shit in their back pockets.
probably stink on purpose so card players make mistakes and the smelly person wins.
…do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
What’s with TCG players and hygiene? I remember my MtG days when you couldn’t attend a single tournament without at least two of your opponent smelling like spicy corpses.
What’s with TCG players and hygiene?
It’s mostly just men hitting puberty and developing glands and pores they didn’t have before.
You’re going to find all the same smells in the locker room and the band van and the construction site. Anywhere you’ve got adolescent men congregating. Especially if there’s bad ventilation and poor AC.
You hit puberty anywhere between 11 and 14… I dont think thats the main crowd.
Definitely not the leading cause of TCG-smell. But that is a complicating factor for that age group
What about the middle aged stinkers? What’s their excuse?
Why can’t they be… taught? To clean themselves?
A tale as old as time or at least a couple decades.
is it that they dont’ shower, or is it that they just sweat so much they smell no matter what?
Oh you’ve never played a tcg.
Just poor bodily hygiene in general. You can shower all you want but if you don’t wash your clothes or don’t know how to do it properly, it won’t matter.
Same as aversion to deodorant for whatever reason. Even here on Lemmy there’s lots of people that are against it for some reason.
And FFS, people need to clean their asses.
Sensitive skin issues. I haven’t fully figured out which ones are good or not, but my armpits seem to tolerate only roll-on format deodorants. Aerosol ones will give a burning sensation and rash within 1-2 uses and stick seem to just give rash within 3-4 uses. That actually did got worse after accutane treatment, but helped to figure out that only roll-ons are suitable.
But during current heatwave, theres nothing i can do. I sweat a lot as soon as temperature starts to get above 24c.
When working out, I’m literally the sweatiest person in the gym and start to smell of ammonia within 45-60 minutes. Up until now no one hasn’t mentioned anything, but i am paranoid about it and whatever i should deal with it or not or even if i can.
Try 70 % IPA once a day.
Can you elaborate a little more on that? I doubt you’re recommending it for drinking?
Soaking my gym clothes in it? Of course i do wash those daily and after each workout.
Spray it in your arm pit. Of course not a liter, just enough to get it wetted, like 1 or 2 pumps. It is a desinfectant and as such kills the bacteria that generate the smell. It also evaporates within a minute or so and thus should be less likely to irritate skin.
I’ll give it a try. Thank you.
I have a mild allergy to most deodorant so I need to pick my battles, because if I wear the stuff that actually works daily, I’ll end up with a pretty sensitive rash and unable to wear anything at all. So most days I’m either wearing nothing or the crystal stuff which last like 45 minutes. If I’m getting on a plane or in a crowd I throw on the good stuff. Also I’m not paying $20 for Native BS I’d rather just smell bad.
The crystal salt stuff is often an aluminum salt if I’m not mistaken, and its the same stuff in some commercial antiperspirants.
Have you tried Zero Sweat? I don’t know about your specific skin but I’ve gotten pretty inflamed armpits a number of times from various causes including deodorants (specifically the white powdery kind that actually somewhat stops you from sweating), but this stuff never bothers me and works better.
Seems like it has the same problem as Native in that it’s outrageously expensive.
I have sensitive pits, but the Degree Extreme 72 hour stuff has been a welcome relief. It’s also not prohibitively expensive (I think I pay USD $9 for the two-pack) and smells really nice.
Idk who needs to hear this, but some people have body oils that react to the ingredients within various deodorants that makes the smell worse rather than masking it (which might be why some people are adverse to it). Some people who have had poor hygiene in the past have difficult bacteria cultures that won’t go away just by soap and water.
Try changing deodorant to antiperspirant. Minimize any perfume or scented products. And if soap isn’t working, acne face wash works great (just don’t use it every time or it dries you out).
Chlorahexadine to the rescue
Yes Its a real pandemic. This particular bacteria strain has infected my local Comic Books Stores, every CGC Anything, and of course the Anime conventions - they are super-spreader events.
It’s truly an enigma.
Yes there are a few I found that make it way way worse. I find the gel stuff to be the worst culprit
We survived a few thousand years or so without deodorant.
If you shower daily and wear clean clothes, you shouldn’t need it.
And there they are.
You stink.
Depends on climate. If its hot, you need deoderant.
If you’re gonna freeze off fits you don’t even have the moment one of your ten layers unzips, you may not.
Modern deoderant is modern. There’s a long history of scent coverings, especially in indoor public spaces like temples. Why the bucket of hydrogenated whale piss do you think incense started being a thing?
I definitely don’t live in a hot climate, I’ll be lucky if the temperature hits double digits today.
We had more space back then LOL. And some middle east area they wore scented deoderants on their head that would waft down and mask body odor.
I can shower, put on fresh clothes and if the temperature is above 20C I’ll be stinky as heck just after lunch. I always need deoderant or antiperspirant if I need to interact with anybody (including myself)
Well, I shower daily and wear a fresh set of clean clothes every day. Guess what, my armpits still stink. Should I just subject everyone around me to that every time I raise my arms, or should I wear deodorant like a normal person?
Exfoliate that shit.
Maybe clean your pits properly?
Is scrubbing them with soap proper enough, or should I be using some kind of industrial solvent?
If your pits still smell when exiting the shower, you just gotta get back in and rewash. I had this issue back when I used scented products and strong antiperspirants, it was difficult to get rid off the old gunk because it was properly matted. Unscented and gentle products are easier to wash away and to notice what is sweat and what is old product.
Yeah. Survived. We can still survive. Doesn’t mean you don’t smell bad.
So you’ve acclimated to your own stench, got it
We survived a few thousand years without showering daily and clean clothes. We had different lifestyles and different expectations.
Most people would have washed daily by some method, we’ve had soap and water for a very long time.
We also lacked indoor plumbing, sanitation, sewage management, and typically had livestock near people as there were no highways or 18-wheelers to deliver meat from a farm in another region.
Life was stanky for thousands of years.
Our lives are filled with things we don’t “need” that we are not going to do away with any time soon.
Just have a shower, dude.
I find modern deodorants to be a bit overkill on most days. They are slimy, they irritate my skin, cause acne and take forever to wash off later. Antiperspirants are even worse. I really only use those types of products if I’m outside in humid heat after not showering for a day or two, once the stank has had a chance to build to noticeable levels. And yes I’ve checked with other people who have no problem providing critical feedback.
For me, those products are a solution looking for a problem, but for others, they might be essential. Some have need for even stronger versions that might need a prescription. Everyone produces different levels of stank. It also depends on the social expectations where you live, your climate, activity level, and diet.
After weighing the various factors, your decision to use any product that goes in or on your body is a personal one. People don’t have to use products that don’t actually help. It’s also good to listen to feedback of those around you, but the products available at your average store might not be the universal solution you think they are.
Eta: I say, essentially, “everyone has different needs in this area” and the hygiene gestapo show up lmao
Bro you stank
There he is
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That guy got banned for harassment.
But all he did was highlight the lack of hygiene and care that players who came to these events had.
Safe space is one thing, but I’m glad butt crack guy exists and we need more public (or private) shaming about basic hygiene.
I think he got unbanned recently
Go to a comic and game store every saturday for tabletop or board games. Sometimes as a big guy it’s hard to find shirts that cover everything up when leaning over. I still try but man some people have no shame.
Tank-style undershirt. Tuck them and its practically guaranteed to prevent plumber’s crack or that thing where the bottom of your gut hangs out that a lot of fat dudes seem oblivious to.
I wear tank undershirts. No butt crackin’ here!
If only there were some device to keep your pants at your waist… (Although really your pants should just fit - a belt is an accessory, not a utility).
Being an odd shaped person I’m to the point in my weight loss I need just a light belt to keep them from going down a little. Though most of the reason for back and butt showing is typically shirts that don’t fit right.
Am I nuts for thinking even if you were topless your butt shouldn’t show with properly fitted pants?
Kinda, general reaching and bending yes. But if I’m reaching across a 5 foot table to for a model, ass may show. I don’t think most can prevent this with just how the human body is contorting for that. Hence at least cover it up with a shirt.
Try to find Big Tall shirts. Highly recommend them.
That’s what my lanky AF partner wears because the sleeves on standard fit shirts are never long enough. The extra length in the torso is a nice bonus.
Aye it’s what I generally look for. The problem is that there’s issues with some are loose and thus good while others fit more to form which I do not like while also leading to the riding up issue.
What a thing to be remembered for lol.
As a bigger guy, I started to get that “fat person” smell even after showering. I realized that the smell was coming from not being able to get all the soap off using just a regular showerhead. I got a handheld shower and haven’t had that issue since then. So, that could be part of the problem.
Does the residual soap get a bad smell or something?
What kind of soap are you using? Irish Spring 56-in-one?
Lol
During the very early years of a local fandom convention, there was a similar problem.
Then, one year, gift bags with toiletries were handed out.
The hint was taken, and the convention has smelled better ever since.
Man, what is it with table top games attracting the most unhygienic among us?
i heard on other forums they purposely do this so the other players either make mistakes during the card games or they concede due to smell. its designed to game the system. aside from the “basement dwellers”, thats the other reason i read they purposely smell that way.
Especially since it’s fundamentally a social activity. Why wouldn’t you consider your presentation if the main part of your hobby is hanging out with other people?
I’ve spent a lot of time with Open Source Programmers and other nerds, including in person, and I believe at least some of the issue is that some of them feel grooming and hygiene is purely aesthetic, bordering on “shallow”. Like the way many of us think about Looksmaxxing or cosmetic surgery.
Like, you spend a bunch of time and money doing your hair or washing your clothes? That time didn’t improve your card playing, it didn’t teach you anything new. Shouldn’t people be judged by what’s inside instead of what’s outside? Shouldn’t people be judged by their skill or merit rather than their looks?
And I intentionally wrote that last one to feel borderline, because I think a lot of people do feel that way, and do believe those things, but not to the same extent. Their boundary for “hygenic enough” requires clean. And maybe the folks I’m characterizing don’t know that it’s actively unpleasant to be around someone who smells bad? Or maybe they’re so steeped in it they don’t know how bad it is?
Tangentially, this is one of the reasons some fem people struggle in these spaces. Any amount of eye-shadow, nice shirt, or hair-style is deemed as “superfluous”, and so any person who spends their time and money on such things is regarded with suspicion. They’re an idiot who wastes their time on looks at best, not to be trusted making other decisions, or a charlatan trying to trick lesser men with their wiles at worst. Those are the only two choices, because there’s no other imaginable reason someone could do these things.
Part of the reason those positions are reached is because of the bullying one receives often comes from “normies” who are the most aesthetically conscious.
If you take shit from Chad and Stacy your whole life you learn, perhaps even subconsciously, that biceps and cologne/eyeliner and perfume are signals that someone is a certain type of way; and you never want to be what they are, or bring that energy to the table.
This explains a lot. Thanks for this perspective.
Sure but also you don’t have to do all that to just not stink? Wear clean clothes, never work out, never wear make up and use unscented products.
Funny thing is that they end up dressing and styling in a similar manner while looking down on people who deviate from the unspoken dress code. By rejecting fashion they are making a conscious choice in the way they dress and are therefore participating in fashion.
An aesthetic drawn from an ethic is the most authentic aesthetic possible
Sure, but if they all end up looking similar to each other it’s still another form of fashion just not mainstream fashion. They are still signaling, consciously or subconsciously, that they are part of the in-group they want to associate with by the way they carry and dress themselves. It’s no different from what the Chads and Stacys, who they think are superficial, do.
The difference is the ethic. Or lack thereof.
Okay but how is a smelly nerd who buys Pokemon tshirts more ethical than a Stacy who buys clothing from Nordstrom they both participate in the same consooming behavior, pleasing their corporate overlords.
I’m not sure I know this use of the term ethic, but it sounds interesting. Care to define or illuminate?
Same thing with the “punk rock” look. It’s so not punk.
I’m sorry but that type of think is delusional. Like because, taking a shower or washing your clothes doesn’t make you better at cards (why would it??) you don’t need to do it, why would these things be related? They serve completely different purposes. It sounds more like justifications to not do something they don’t enjoy or don’t want to do.
It is, yeah. It’s also what they believe. It’s sort of a sour grapes situation.
For most people, this kind of behavior is socialized out of them by the time they reach adulthood. But a lot of YuGiOh players, and players of other kinds, do not leave their house. To such a person, getting ready to go out requires maybe an hour or more of prep time, mostly because they don’t know what they’re doing, for what feels like 5 minutes of play at grocery store. They would think of this as superfluous and pointless.
A point of similarity I know will ruffle a few feathers: do you make your bed every day?
No I don’t. Why should I? My bed sheets being made or messy doesnt impact anyone else and it barely impacts me. It’s just not a valid comparison to having simple bodily hygiene when going outside.
Hold your horses, there’s no need to get defensive.
I didn’t bring that up to suggest people should—I don’t—I’m just provoking a bit of thought.
You don’t see any similarities at all between making sure you’re shaved, showered, well-dressed, maybe perfumed a bit, before going outside; and making sure your bed is clean, well-kept, and presentable?
You probably don’t invite friends into your bedroom.
So let’s ask a similar question: do you clean your living room before inviting guests over? What is the purpose of that? There’s a good chance you care about it being clean more than they do, so why bother?
That wasn’t in a defensive tone lol. Sorry about not writing clearly enough.
I don’t really see many similarities between making sure I’m clean before going outside and keeping my bed made. Keeping my bed clean? Sure. But spesifically keeping the bedsheets made? Not really. (Messy bedsheets doesnt make a bed “dirty”)
I would clean my living room before inviting guests, yes, however I still dont think thats much of a comparison to bedsheets specifically. The purpose of cleaning the living room before having guests is so that I have a nice space for my guests. There’s a social incentive. I ain’t presenting my bed to anyone often, so there isn’t really a social incentive for me to make the sheets.
I guess it comes down to what makes an individual feel orderly and clean. We clean our bodies to be presentable, but also to feel clean (and be healthy). The former reason isn’t very applicable to making the bedsheets most of the time, but the latter can be.
Edit: I just realised the absurdity of my end conclusion somehow being “I guess ppl have preferences huh”
Your whole premise relies on them failing basic biology class (or somehow skipping out on the microbiology part?) because hygiene is also just about basic health.
So either they’re all very stupid when it comes to basic health, or there’s multiple issues or some other major one.
There’s a lot of space between “that dude smells bad” and “that dude is hurting his health by not showering”.
Idk, fungi thrive in said environments.
So? Doesn’t mean they’re (a) bad for your health or (b) able to outcompete everything else to the point of becoming problematic.
Jock itch and co are bad for your health, just not severely
But they’re not people–they are other players. What they look or smell like is absolutely irrelevant next to more IMPORTANT details… like if you’re playing a speedoid deck against an archerine, are you really going to have the mental bandwidth to be thinking about stuff like hygiene?
All you’re doing here is demonstrating that you are not a serious person, probably someone whose never had a cyber dragon summoned against them, someone who has really never known true risk.
You take your showers. Blow dry your hair. Apply your deoderant. Then see how you fare against this deck.
/s
But they’re not people–they are other players
Ugh, this seems to be the prevailing mentality for driving too. Not other people, just other cars
Always has been. One of the main reasons I hate driving. Nobody would dare act the way drivers drive without the car anaonymizing them and everyone else.
showeroids win by default because the Serious Stinkers got disqualified for being biohazards
biohazards:
Spoken like a fucking soaplord, get off my table peasant
Soaplord hahaha
So, in my experience, it’s less unhygienic, and more a problem with not covering up their natural smells. Sounds similar, different things. I’ll explain me experience with TTRPGers.
All the ones I know who fall into the funk trap are autistic folk, and the issue isn’t that they don’t bathe, it’s that they can’t stand those strong chemical smells they associate with body washes and deodorant*. So they bathe, but they use mild soaps, soaps designed for children, or unscented soaps, and they don’t wear deodorant.
Which creates a situation where the hygiene is okay, but the funk is still there, once they’re all in a group together. One on one, you really don’t notice, but get 10 folks in a room for game night, or a couple thousand together for an event or convention, and the funk becomes overpowering.
That said, I do know two that have just a general aversion to bathing, and consistently reek
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Also an issue with texture on the skin. One of my best friends is autistic, and he cannot handle the feeling of deodorant on his armpits. It tacks the hair down, it’s apparently sticky feeling, and he just goes into total meltdown until he can get it off. He can’t focus on anything else.
I’ll explain me experience…
The rest of your comment was read in a pirate voice in my head.
o, in me experience, it’s less unhygienic, an’ more a problem with not coverin’ to the sky their natural smells. Sounds similar, different things. I’ll explain me experience with ttrpgers.
all the ones I know who fall into the funk trap be autistic folk, an’ the issue isn’t that there they don’t bathe, it’s that there they can’t stand them strong chemical smells they associate with body washes an’ deodorant*. So they bathe, but they use mild soaps, soaps designed fer children, or unscented soaps, an’ they don’t wearrr deodorant.
which creates a situation where the ‘ygiene be okay, but the funk be still there, once they’re all in a crew together. One on one, ye really don’t notice, but get 10 folks in a room fer game night, or a couple thousand together fer an event or convention, an’ the funk becomes overpowerin’.
that there said, I do know two that there ‘ave just a general aversion to bathing, an’ consistently reek
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also an issue with texture on the skin. One o’ me best mates be autistic, an’ ‘e cannot ‘andle the feelin’ o’ deodorant on 'is armpits. It tacks the ‘air down, it’s apparently sticky feeling, an’ 'e just goes into total meltdown until 'e can get it off. ‘e can’t focus on anythin’ else.
That was the intent.
I appreciate the perspective but would like to point out that encouraging strong masking scents is not going to help the situation. There are plenty of workplaces with “no strong scent” policies that manage to have conference meetings without triggering gag reflexes or migraines.
I’m autistic and I find showers overwhelming because they’re loud and they are touching you all over, it’s definitely a real thing but between unscented options, wipes and product choices like, spray deodorant for example, it’s still very possible to be hygienic and not “smell natural” if a person has symptoms so bad they literally cannot tolerate cleaning themselves it should be treated like any other symptom that they’d need to stay away from people for and they should abstain from attending.
I don’t know if it’s the soap thing so much, it more comes down to people in significant gathers have a smell to them that being in a small room or convention space amplifies. Showering and soap use is important but I think scrubbing is just as important. As well regularly clean clothes and just a little care for one’s body.
Yeah I don’t like any floral scented perfumed anything. Aldi sells plain old soap, plain old shampoo, and plain old conditioner. And that’s what I like. Good old fatty acid salts.
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Mineral deodorants exist.
They tend to attract autistic people, who can have trouble with bathing for various reasons.
I understand why people with autism can have difficulty bathing but do TCGs attract more neurodivergents? I played YuGiOh and now actively play MTG. I don’t think I’ve noticed myself?
If you have actively played several TCGs and you haven’t noticed they attract neurodivergent people, you are likely neurodivergent yourself.
Hmm. I am not neurodivergent but also am unsure if they attract more neurodivergent hobbyists than neurotypical hobbyists? Or TCGs attract neurodivergents more than any other hobbies? Could be location too? Idk I have so many questions and an internet search isnt coming up.
At my local CA a majority of people seem neurotypical to me, a few are socially awkward yes, and maybe of an average of 42 people on a commander night maybe 2-3 I know for sure neurodivergent. There’s a difference between socially awkward though and neurodivergent… Anyways, happy to share the hobby with anyone but would like everyone to be clean or hygienic if possible!! Sucks a few people perpetuate this stereotype :/
Could be age group? Are you under 30? The hobby has opened up dramatically in the last generation. Before that, neurodivergents were well over the baseline for the population.
Closer to 40 now! I think society has opened up to a lot of hobbies over the years. Used to be a closeted nerd myself as a female in video games but its nice that hobbies and fandom’s are more acceptable now than before.
I can see that! MTG is an older game… And used to be more for niche populations. Same as anime I suppose. I was wondering if its due to geographical location as well.
I feel you on the pain of gaming while girl. The cultures still need work, I still don’t open voice comms often, but damn has it come a long way. I’m sure geographical location has something to do with the population differences. A bigger city or more progressive area is a full two generations or more ahead of everywhere else in the country.
What are those reasons could be?
Distracted by hyperfocus, aversion to bathing process due to stimulus issues, falling out of routine making it more difficult to put back into routine, etc
Highly depends on the person and their personality, really. You might even say it’s a spectrum.
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Being… being autistic?
Super Smash Bros also seems to have the same problem.
Plus a ton of pedophiles!
If this isn’t a joke I really want the scoop. Not surprising if it was real though since the circles of SSB players, table top players and Weebs overlap. And weebs having many pedos is well known.
Here’s a good place to start: https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/hjstun/summary_of_sexual_and_nonsexual_allegations_in/
Actually?
It’s a place they are kind of accepted.
Most of the time people spend on Warhammer for example is spent alone painting little figurines or reading lore. The social part of actually playing games is a minor part of this hobby.
