It seems to be related to some advertising push from a partner named Alfonso that is gathering information cross-platform anything that appears on your screen and pushing advertising to you during playback.
Hopefully not, but that’s what it looks like from early reading.
My LG CX has been blocked from the network for years, starting from the instant the fucker popped up some notice about some shit that wasn’t relevant to the TV displaying content.
Get that shit airgapped. Use a Steam Deck or an old PC tower or laptop to take over for the builtin stuff.
…Stop using the “smart” services…? Yeah, definitely that.
If you buy the TV and they don’t watch your shit. then change TOS to watch your shit. They should refund a percentage if you return the TV. They changed the deal after the fact. Should be illegal.
I agree 100%.
And you speak like Rorschach in The Watchmen.
This is one of my pet peeves. With these modern internet connected devices, manufacturers can just change the terms and conditions on you after you’ve made the purchase. OK, so would it be fair to say I can also change the terms and conditions, like for example this devalues my product and I want part of my money back?
It’s such bullshit, especially with something like a phone or a TV, the software is a big part of why I select a certain device to purchase over another. I then want that devices to behave exactly like when I purchased it. Being connected to the internet means it requires regular updates for security. But these days that also means fucking with the features and the EULA, I hate that shit.
There’s been quite a few class actions over this. A famous one is sony dropping the ability to install linux on the ps3.
Didn’t some very clever person send a company his own change of terms and conditions? I think I remember something like that.
I wish I was an extremely smart lawyer type person and could jack them up like that myself.
My LG TV is not connected to the internet.
Very smart. Do you live alone? My family is down with the sickness.
The TV is essentially used as a dumb monitor and has an Apple TV and Chromecast plugged into it.
I’ve got a Fire in the back of mine which I want everyone to use, but everyone just uses the LG interface except me.
Of course it screws up all the time, and when it does my first question is, “Hey did you try what you’re doing on the Fire plugged into the back to see if it worked on that?”
Not like I love the fire either, but pick your poison, right? Apple, Amazon, Google, LG. Which large tech company would you like to milk your information?
I have an old laptop running LibreELEC (literally) strapped to the back of my TV. With a PC connected remote it works great.
That’s the way we do it, Dave! Making fire with sticks!
Sounds like it’s time to block the TV from the network and just play dumb lol
They’ll never use the LG interface again if you just block its Mac adresses from your router.
I’m tech support in the house.
You want me to have to admit I can’t fix something?
To be honest I would, the more they think you can fix anything the more annoying they are about fixing everything even if it’s not even possible. From my experiences in the past I just would tell them there was a update and it stopped the TV from connecting to online and there’s nothing you can do about it
☝️ Evil genius
“I fixed it so our personal information doesn’t get sold to the highest bidder.”
does the fire stick have the ability to wake the tv up? in that case, just hide the TV remote.
That’s precisely how we use it.
Lol, that makes it better?
Yes from a hardware and user experience perspective, and a more pessimistic maybe/not really from a privacy perspective. I think smart TVs are a little more aggressive with their anti user changes because they see it as a captive audience. They market the hardware specs, then add ads to the UI. Streaming sticks really only have their user interface and user experience to market, so they’re a little less aggressive with the negative changes.
yes
So replacing one spying device with another is better?
That’s like saying that all spying is equal and all information is of equal value.
yes
That’s a pretty stupid take.
Time for a Pi-Hole or similar if you don’t already have one.
Pihole block list for TVs: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist/master/SmartTV.txt
If your router supports blocking, you can just do it manually one by one and see when things break.
Offline.
Mostly just use my Kodi/Shield setup+my 4kUHD player.
Play porn 24/7
So just carry on as normal?
Stay the course captain
Read carefully, most of those do not need to be accepted or agreed to.
Always assume they are trying to trick you into thinking you have to agree to new legally optional features.
The good news is, even if you did accidentally agree to them, you can revoke it deep in the settings menu.
Thank you, I already got that good advice from another awesome person like yourself! Not only was I able to avoid falling for their trap, but I unchecked some options I had apparently checked in the past!
The ole Lemmy reversearoo!!! Thanks as always,
🎵 I get by with a little help from my friends! 🎶
My LG, and all other TV’s in my home are disconnected from the internet, because of ACR and ads. I use a seperate setup box. I did have a pihole blocking most of the smart tv telemetry, but I still did not trust the smart part of my tv.
Disconnecting it from the internet should do the trick.
It looks like you only have to agree to the first two options, if I’m reading correctly. Definitely second the pi-hole option if that isn’t the case though…super easy to find telemetry domains based on what still works after blacklisting something (you can also find lists online).
Oh my that really helped, thank you so much.
I really was freaking out there thinking I had to agree to all that crap.
A 100% explore the pi-hole thing. Plus why don’t we all become multi-billionaires by selling TVs that just TV? And toasters that just toast? Smartphones that do things that you put on them, but don’t do things that you don’t?
How about we start a company that makes shit that does what it’s supposed to do and doesn’t do extra shit? (…And encourage an active and open plug-in community)
There are two problems with scaling back to the old way of doing things: 1) enshitification and 2) endless seeking of upward growth and profit.
This case is especially egregious since it’s not an extra thing that made this TV look like a good deal at Target/BestBuy/whatever. Instead, it’s a secondary way for LG to directly monetize your use of the appliance (ads and data). So, they’ve all but given up trying to make a better or more cost-effective TV and are just figuring out how to charge you rent for it instead.
Well it’s just like the health industry really. Why sell you a cure, when they can sell you a prescription for life.
“Prescription for life” is rarely actually the situation. I assure you, they’d much rather garnish your wages for life in exchange for curing your cancer than bankrupt you on chemo until you die. Vaccines are encouraged despite reducing your odds of needing lifelong treatments as is quitting smoking and getting exercise.
No they’re greedy and will have their money, but they’ll do it with shit like evergreening patents or just taking all your money or developing a new medicine with less than sufficient research to verify its efficacy or safety.
Sorry, I see “patient for life” rhetoric routinely used against the disabled and trans people who have medication we rely on that isn’t even particularly profitable as it’s long been in the public domain
Wait are you trying to say that pharmaceutical companies spend as much or more time working on tours for diseases as they do on treating symptoms? I think I disagree with you although I don’t have any data. I can’t remember outside of vaccines the last time I heard of anything getting cured.
I have to admit I don’t really understand your point, but it sounds a lot bigger than this thread. I don’t know if you’ve posted before but maybe you should organize what you’re trying to say and make it a post so other people can interact with it and it can get more visibility than just this comment on an unrelated topic.
It sounds like you might have a lot to say on this.
Making a top level post on lemmy correcting common misinformation in a field that’s highly politicized and not an area I have professional level expertise in sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant experience. I just wanted to correct it where I saw it
I didn’t really understand the correcting misinformation part of your comment though. Are you saying that big pharma DOES work on cures as a goal, or that ongoing prescriptions are not part of a plan that they have to make money? I guess that’s why I’m thinking a post might be an order because it doesn’t seem like you’re able to get enough information in a comment.
At least for someone like me, who isn’t really very intuitive and also isn’t particularly smart, so I benefit a lot from the ongoing discussion that comes from replies to a post more than I do from a single comment from someone.
I particularly didn’t understand this sentence:
I assure you, they’d much rather garnish your wages for life in exchange for curing your cancer than bankrupt you on chemo until you die.
Why would you assure me of that? Maybe if you could expand on it and ELI5, I might be able to get what you’re saying a little better.
Glad it helped! I just factory reset my Sony Bravia the other day so it’s fresh in my memory. Agree on all fronts! Couldn’t live in today’s world without my pi-hole 😅.
I use a Roku and the Roku remote instead of the TV one. The Roku remote has power, volume, and mute buttons that control the TV. And that’s really all you need. Is there a similar remote for Fire Stick?
Yep, it’s very similar to the Roku, which I also have on other TVs and have used in the past on this one, but the fire also has the ability to sideload akp apps and can be a lot more versatile than the Roku.
I have retroarch loaded on my fire, and I can grab a Bluetooth controller and play some old Nintendo if I want. Took a little configuring, but I enjoy that kind of thing.
At first I will tell you the fire has a very ugly interface. Lots of banner advertising at the top and looks very messy and crowded. You just have to get used to the ugly. It’s no Roku in that respect. Roku is much cleaner.
I like them because they’re so cheap. Plus SmartTube is the only way I can bear to watch youtubes on the TV anymore.
Disconnect from the internet. Buy Mi Box S 2nd gen & update it. Root it(optional). Debloat, install Kodi, SmartTube or Stremio. I recommend FLauncher for alternative launcher.
Tried this mi box a few years ago and I couldn’t figure it out… It was like crippled android. Couldn’t find the apps that I wanted, keyboard didn’t have my language available so I was missing characters that I need to access my smb share where I would have had the apks. Got mad and threw it out the window. Went looking for it the next day as I wanted to return it, I’m poor so I can’t waste money like that, but my neighbor was outside just yelling something about his car’s windshield, so decided to stay indoors. The next day it was gone, so I bought a used cheap mini pc, installed mint on it and been using it with a remote that has kb and trackpad, 5/5.
Yar, matey! I’ll be looking into these suggestions!
Any tv box will do but with this box you can retain root while still having Widevone L1 & Dolby Vision
Noice.
This seems like the kind of data that can easily be added to a PiHole or Adguard Home blocklist, just need to find out which endpoint they are.
That’s what i do. I’m not super tech savvy but pihole is pretty simple to set up
