Stupid ass private education bullshit

  • Thoven@lemdro.id
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    29 minutes ago

    Essentially, because it takes labor to create educational material. Unless you own slaves labor isn’t free. And in fact with the modern library and Internet access I’d argue self educating is more accessible than ever in history.

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    4 hours ago

    *in the US. In Germany a semester at my university costs about 300 Euros and that includes cheaper lunch and a ticket to use all public transport in the whole of Germany.

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    I would argue that its rare for education to make you smarter, it mostly makes you more knowlegable.

    Knowledge is mostly free though. You can get it from the internet, from the library etc. A lot of what you are paying for is the certification - some places let you just sit the exam I think.

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      5 hours ago

      Or in some cases, like FOSS, the knowledge is freely available, but you pay for a detailed course or tutorial to receive that information in a simpler, more streamlined way.

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        A lot of the time I paid to have it taught to me so badly that I would have been better off with a textbook. 😢

        They then call me up once every few years to ask for a donation! Fk off, I’m still paying off the loan!

  • Devolution@lemmy.world
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    For centuries it was called “gatekeeping.” Education is the means of mobility. The elites want that limited.

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      I doubt the term was used. Perhaps “guild”?

      Education as a means of mobility is a recent idea, I’d say finding cubic miles of oil allowed that to happen.

      What use could a medieval serf make of calculus?

      • Devolution@lemmy.world
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        There would have been a patron behind the serf to even allow him school to begin with. So the serf using calculus is because a Duke felt he had promise.

  • BigBenis@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    CAPITALISM

    Everything must be monetized. Education, art, healthcare, food and water, it all must be profitable or else there is no incentive for it to exist. Oh, you need it to live? Then hand over your wealth! What, you’re looking for free handouts? Nah, either pay up or go die in a gutter.

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    6 hours ago

    To keep the poor undereducated and easier to control. The ones allowed through have to pay the entry fee.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Libraries are free.

    Many libraries and community centers offer free classes depending on the subject. Local clubs can offer classes. Lots of youtube classes are free, like Khan Academy.

    What you’re paying for is the degree on top of the education. A checkmark in a box that employers use to weed out people that don’t play the game of jumping through the hoops.

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      Access to books is not the same as access to a structured course with experts explaining the topics. YouTube classes can be very good to learn something specific, but do not achieve the organization of a university program.

      In my country, university classes are public a d anyone can attend for free. You pay for the degree only. If it is formation you want, you can attend classes.

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        8 hours ago

        I guarantee you, knowledge means something. You need the degree to get the job, but if you don’t know your ass for your elbow, that entry level job is as far as you are going to go. If you want a promotion and pay raise, you need to know your shit.

      • gerryflap@feddit.nl
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        9 hours ago

        Yeah okay but OP is asking why it costs money to become smarter. The answer is: it doesn’t. But it does cost money to get help with getting smarter and to get a certificate that you did get smarter. And that does indeed cost more than it should in many places

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        8 hours ago

        Only when you are talking about earning money. The smartest people out there are the ditch diggers and factory folk.

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            In healthcare, yes. An IT guy, a plumber, an analyst, no. Legal and healthcare are the only two fields I can think of right now that a person with enough knowledge couldn’t enter without a diploma.
            But those two fields make up what, 1 percent?

            Also, I don’t need to go to europe, because I’m already there.

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              There are many other fields that require a degree. Engineering, architecture, chemistry, biology, etc. In some of those fields you can find some jobs which you can do without the degree, but the vast majority do require it.

              I hire people and, to be fair, most people with a degree do not qualify as valid for certain jobs. But in that case is lack of knowledge. In my case I’d rather have someone without degree but with a deep knowledge; but those are very hard to find.

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              There’s literally an entire demographic of americans that are having trouble with getting a job because they don’t have certification and it’s a nationwide problem causing insane amounts of debt for the general population, so unless there’s some kind of joke about the american healthcare system in there, then I don’t get what you’re saying.

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    formal education feels like it was fully co-opted by “the market”

    If you want to join “the market” (have a job and get paid for it), you need formal education
    To get formal education, you need money
    To get money, you need to join “the market” or have someone who’s “in” to pay for you

    As for “getting smarter”, that’s different from formal education

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      8 hours ago

      To get formal education, you need money

      Brazil’s top universities, the ones everybody wants to join, publish research and look good on your resume, are the public universities. They’re entirely free, and if you can prove you don’t have sufficient income, most will also provide somewhere to live (shared, but still) and free meals.

      In other words, high quality education doesn’t need to depend on your income. Protest against that, vote against that.

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        Technically true, but as many students find out, having classes’ times all over the place each semester means you’ll have a hard time finding any jobs in the meantime, which will more or less force them to live off savings or family help, especially if the course has mandatory books that you cannot find a pirate copy somewhere. Also, the student residences get full super quick. Not to mention that every public medicine course in the public unis only has like 2-3 students that actually came from the lower classes.

        Fonte: meu pai e minha irmã estudaram na UnB

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    12 hours ago

    It is not about getting smarter. It is about transferring knowledge. For that, the teaching person must a) have the knowledge, and b) the skills to actually transfer it. Both do not come easy and cheap.

    You simply pay a professional person money for professional work. And sometimes it is really, really worth it. I learned one programming language in an expensive three day course - from the person who wrote the actual tools. This was intense. The amount of knowledge and insight gained was marvelous. And well worth the money.