a strong complaint expressing disagreement, disapproval, or opposition:
make a protest - Protests have been made by many people who would be affected by the proposed changes.
protest about - A formal protest was made by the German team about their disqualification from the relay final.
protest against - Conservation groups have united in protest against the planned new road.
in protest - Several members walked out of the meeting in protest.
See Also: peaceful protest
Instigating an armed conflict is a protest as much as surgery is a dialogue. That said, I think some armed resistance to the ICE would be warranted, but let’s not pretend words can mean whatever you want them to.
also let’s just be clear here, it is not “violence” (in the sense that you seem to be using it) to protect yourself against violence instigated by others
Federal property is collectively everybody in the country’s property and if everyone in the country agreed to shut these facilities down then we would not be having this conversation.
The French started by uniting the people and bankrupting the state, so I reccomend you start there as well, because if you go into a war with a minority of the public to support you then you’re going to wind up less like the French and more like the Spaniards.
the moment you say protests instigate violence by the perpetrator already invalidates your argument. you should really stop using conservative talking and buzzwords, its not very intelligent conversation.
Conservatives where you live talk about holding Peaceful Protests? Conservatives are talking about ways to oppose the ICE and the larger Trump admin? Really? That’s some weird fucking conservatism, my dude.
Do you need me to point out that nowhere does it say “if you are armed its not a protest” or can we all just agree that your previous statement was full of shit and that you will remember this definition in the future?
I mean, being armed doesn’t necessarily need to mean you are showing up to be violent. If you bring a firearm to a peaceful protest, with right to carry, and you partake in the peaceful protest, peacefully so, then ICE starts illegally opening fire at you, you should be able to defend yourself.
I think being armed with a non-concealed firearm is explicitly a threat. I think it’s a tactic used egregiously by our enemies and I don’t think it’s particularly effective. I don’t think the ICE is worried that killing you in cold blood is illegal, they generally don’t follow the laws in the first place.
The other user(s) in this comment section is saying they want everyone to bring rifles. For all I know it’s all just Deceptichum’s alt accounts, maybe a couple Russian trolls, but I’m arguing with those people about a completely different subject than what you’re talking about.
We need to clarify because Fox News is constantly trying to classify all protests as Riots. Sometimes, protests do change into something else, they stop being peaceful, but the vast majority are not that.
The fact you have to put the word “peaceful” in front of “protest” to differentiate it from other types of protest already invalidates your attestment that the word “protest” implies peaceful means.
You kmow why there are many, many claims that protest can be violent?
Becsuse it can be. 🤦♂️
I guess those Buddhists that set themselves on fire in protest is peaceful because they didn’t set others on fire? Despite suicide also being a violent act?
Yeah, tbh, I don’t think they’ve ever done a single thing except get people killed. Were they victims of oppression? Yes. Did they do a goddamn thing about that? No.
You are incredibly ignorant to the community organizing and mutual aid programs that the black panthers created and helped facilitate to provide needed aid to so many neglected, black neighborhoods.
The black panthers created countless programs to provide community-run schools and clinics, food/clothing, legal aid, senior transportation, ambulance services, legal aid and counseling, as well as things like home maintenance and repair services through freely accessible mutual aid initiatives.
And, yes, they also provided community defense against state oppression from racist police forces targeting black communities. Which is something that today’s communities could learn a fucking thing or two from with our current situation.
Yes, because the party began to schism in its later years, obviously all of the good they did during their decades of activism obviously means nothing.
Also, I didn’t say anything about how they spent their funds, I was speaking about how they verifiably organized communities to exchange their resources and skills freely between each other, not simply fucking “charity”. Learn the difference. I don’t give a single fuck what they did with the money. Money is the least of my concerns.
And lastly, the black panthers were anything but segregationists. They happily worked alongside their white comrades as well as Latino groups and LGBT organizations, plus had a sizable portion of women in their ranks during a time of rampant sexism. The only thing they wanted to be separate from was the oppressive American government and the proponents of its racist as fuck culture.
Were they a perfect organization? No, but no organization is. They existed during a time when they were under constant threat by state and federal forces trying their damnedest to dismantle them. Some within the organization took things in the wrong direction in response to these existential threats, yes, but that says nothing about the good their organization did as a whole.
Black Panthers were segregationists, any claim otherwise is historical revision. When Stokely Carmichael of the Black Panther Party became president of the SNCC he expelled all the white members leading to a sharp decline in donations. BPP has been Segregationist from even before its official formation.
I don’t think they’ve ever done a single thing except get people killed.
They’re responsible for some of the strongest gun control legislation currently enabled in America today. What the fuck do you mean you “don’t think they’ve ever done a single thing”?
Yes, but their intention was never gun control, they’re responsible for gun control in largely the same way Purdue Pharma is responsible for the Sackler Act.
That is by definition not a protest.
You might want to invest in a dictionary in case you decide to open your mouth and shit out something this stupid in the future.
a strong complaint expressing disagreement, disapproval, or opposition:
make a protest - Protests have been made by many people who would be affected by the proposed changes.
protest about - A formal protest was made by the German team about their disqualification from the relay final.
protest against - Conservation groups have united in protest against the planned new road.
in protest - Several members walked out of the meeting in protest.
See Also: peaceful protest
Instigating an armed conflict is a protest as much as surgery is a dialogue. That said, I think some armed resistance to the ICE would be warranted, but let’s not pretend words can mean whatever you want them to.
Yeah, your being ridiculously pedantic. The concept of protest dies not actually exclude violence.
I am always extremely pedantic.
Violence is not a complaint or in any way a form of legitimate dialogue.
Again, the concept of protest is not limited to legitimate dialogue.
I can go all day!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I suppose if you ignore every logical step then you can claim its definition is whatever you want.
We should come up with a word for this. How about an Ig-No Rant? You’re being Ig-no rant.
Amazing that you have no mirrors anywhere in your life.
Just so you know, you’re 100% wrong.
that’s just your opinion
also let’s just be clear here, it is not “violence” (in the sense that you seem to be using it) to protect yourself against violence instigated by others
Violence is still violence no matter what the motivation.
If ICE force their way onto your property, that’s their violence.
If you force your way onto federal property, that’s your violence.
Federal property is my property… it’s literally publicly owned property.
If WE own ten bucks, YOU cannot spend that ten bucks however you want, even if it is yours in a sense.
Federal property is collectively everybody in the country’s property and if everyone in the country agreed to shut these facilities down then we would not be having this conversation.
BOOTLICKING CUNT!
How did the French revolution go, again? One big ole peaceful protest, right?
You’re arguing against your own position. Or ARE you trying to say that the violent revolution was also a “protest”??
The French started by uniting the people and bankrupting the state, so I reccomend you start there as well, because if you go into a war with a minority of the public to support you then you’re going to wind up less like the French and more like the Spaniards.
You should be extremely shut the fuck up
the moment you say protests instigate violence by the perpetrator already invalidates your argument. you should really stop using conservative talking and buzzwords, its not very intelligent conversation.
Conservatives where you live talk about holding Peaceful Protests? Conservatives are talking about ways to oppose the ICE and the larger Trump admin? Really? That’s some weird fucking conservatism, my dude.
Do you need me to point out that nowhere does it say “if you are armed its not a protest” or can we all just agree that your previous statement was full of shit and that you will remember this definition in the future?
A protest is a complaint.
A threat is not a complaint, it’s a threat.
Self-defense is not a threat, and fuck you for trying to pretend otherwise.
I see we have some Kyle Rittenhouse fans in the comments here.
If you bring your gun out to the streets and use it to intimidate people, that is not self-defence.
Lmao we should just keep letting them blast us in the face and not defend ourselves, yeah?
We should gain majority support to punish these criminals. Starting a war in the street will not accomplish that.
Quit lying, you disgusting piece of shit!
You are a libelous motherfucking troll and need to be banned.
I see that I was wrong to assume that you were ignorant instead of just too stupid to participate in a discussion. That is on my. Bye.
I mean, being armed doesn’t necessarily need to mean you are showing up to be violent. If you bring a firearm to a peaceful protest, with right to carry, and you partake in the peaceful protest, peacefully so, then ICE starts illegally opening fire at you, you should be able to defend yourself.
I think being armed with a non-concealed firearm is explicitly a threat. I think it’s a tactic used egregiously by our enemies and I don’t think it’s particularly effective. I don’t think the ICE is worried that killing you in cold blood is illegal, they generally don’t follow the laws in the first place.
I would assume you would bring a concealed weapon to a peaceful protest for the purpose of self-defense. 😄
Bring a rifle and slinging it on your back would definitely be a provocation/instigation lol
The other user(s) in this comment section is saying they want everyone to bring rifles. For all I know it’s all just Deceptichum’s alt accounts, maybe a couple Russian trolls, but I’m arguing with those people about a completely different subject than what you’re talking about.
Alright. I think you and I mostly agree around our topic though, I guess.
If protest is by definition peaceful, why then do we need to clarify by declaring something as “peaceful protest”?
For someone obsessed with the meaning of words, you don’t seem to put much effort into understanding them.
We need to clarify because Fox News is constantly trying to classify all protests as Riots. Sometimes, protests do change into something else, they stop being peaceful, but the vast majority are not that.
The term “peaceful protest” massively predates Fox News. We were using the term in the ‘60s, and Fox News was only founded in 1996.
That’s fair there are also other people we need to clarify these things to due to the widespread implication otherwise.
The fact you have to put the word “peaceful” in front of “protest” to differentiate it from other types of protest already invalidates your attestment that the word “protest” implies peaceful means.
“Peaceful” is necessitated by the many many many false claims that a protest is anything but.
You kmow why there are many, many claims that protest can be violent?
Becsuse it can be. 🤦♂️
I guess those Buddhists that set themselves on fire in protest is peaceful because they didn’t set others on fire? Despite suicide also being a violent act?
Look up the black panthers bud. Nothing wrong with armed protesters.
Yeah, tbh, I don’t think they’ve ever done a single thing except get people killed. Were they victims of oppression? Yes. Did they do a goddamn thing about that? No.
You are incredibly ignorant to the community organizing and mutual aid programs that the black panthers created and helped facilitate to provide needed aid to so many neglected, black neighborhoods.
The black panthers created countless programs to provide community-run schools and clinics, food/clothing, legal aid, senior transportation, ambulance services, legal aid and counseling, as well as things like home maintenance and repair services through freely accessible mutual aid initiatives.
And, yes, they also provided community defense against state oppression from racist police forces targeting black communities. Which is something that today’s communities could learn a fucking thing or two from with our current situation.
Web link to a book by the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation "Black Panthers: Service to the Peoples Programs
I’m pretty sure the Black Panthers embezzled more than they spent on charity, thats why they had to murder their secretary in 1974.
Self segregationists did more to harm the welfare of black communities than help them.
Yes, because the party began to schism in its later years, obviously all of the good they did during their decades of activism obviously means nothing.
Also, I didn’t say anything about how they spent their funds, I was speaking about how they verifiably organized communities to exchange their resources and skills freely between each other, not simply fucking “charity”. Learn the difference. I don’t give a single fuck what they did with the money. Money is the least of my concerns.
And lastly, the black panthers were anything but segregationists. They happily worked alongside their white comrades as well as Latino groups and LGBT organizations, plus had a sizable portion of women in their ranks during a time of rampant sexism. The only thing they wanted to be separate from was the oppressive American government and the proponents of its racist as fuck culture.
Were they a perfect organization? No, but no organization is. They existed during a time when they were under constant threat by state and federal forces trying their damnedest to dismantle them. Some within the organization took things in the wrong direction in response to these existential threats, yes, but that says nothing about the good their organization did as a whole.
Black Panthers were segregationists, any claim otherwise is historical revision. When Stokely Carmichael of the Black Panther Party became president of the SNCC he expelled all the white members leading to a sharp decline in donations. BPP has been Segregationist from even before its official formation.
They’re responsible for some of the strongest gun control legislation currently enabled in America today. What the fuck do you mean you “don’t think they’ve ever done a single thing”?
Yes, but their intention was never gun control, they’re responsible for gun control in largely the same way Purdue Pharma is responsible for the Sackler Act.
Maybe they should try an insurrection, doesn’t seem to be any crime against that, just white house tours.