I Just dont understand why everyone seemingly make EVs ugly on purpose…
I just don’t like that so many of them are fucking hatchbacks. I just want a sedan (that isn’t a god damned Tesla).
There’s two big reasons.
No front grill
So much of a brand’s identity can be carried by the grill and headlights. And on an EV, there’s no need for a grill. But just a slab of flat metal looks weird, so they add stuff to break it up.
Drag
The range of an EV is a lot more sensitive to drag than an ICE car.
So in order to reduce the drag, shapes are smoothed out.
Aero efficiency becomes a much bigger priority than looks.
So people won’t buy them. O&G companies still own the auto industry.
I actually really like the look of my Renault Megane E-Tech
Battery could be better, but else I’m really happy with it - and the look of itAlso completely subjective…
The Ferrari Ev looks sick as do Hyundai’s offerings and hell even the new Prius is pretty cool. (I know it’s a hybrid)
Maybe you just have a really narrow scope of appreciation lol.
Audi has the best looking cars to my eyye, of all the standard person cars. Their EVs are asstastic looking.
The secretly don’t want to manufacture them so they make them look like shit?
Obviously they can be made to look normal, the Ford Lightning & Mach E, Lucid, Polestar, and even a Tesla all look pretty normal and arguably some look really nice. But ask a mainstream manufacturer to make an EV car and they look stupid half the time. The Prius finally doesn’t look like it’s trying to virtue signal with its ugliness, so designs can be improved too.
But ask a mainstream manufacturer to make an EV car and they look stupid half the time.
IMO, it’s probably more that they overdesign them. They want the EV to look futuristic and unique compared to their regular cars, but their cars already look like that to some degree, and so they overcook the design into looking like some science fiction vehicle. Take the Ferrari, for example, they tried to make it have a floating arch where the hood would normally be.
That’s fine for a movie or video game, but in real life, coupled with the practical limits, it just doesn’t look very good.
That‘s definitely a possibility. People don‘t want futuristic unless maybe it‘s a sports car, and even then it‘s iffy.
Tesla look like poo. Polestar are nicer by a mile but the backwindow is veey EV aesthetic
I don’t agree on the Prius. The 2026 version has worse consumption and a smaller trunk so it could look more like any other SUV. People buy these cause they are the best economics for the size and Toyota made it more like “what they think a phev suv should look like”. I’d say that’s the opposite of your point.
2024 and 2026 Prius both show 57/56 city/highway economy on fueleconomy.gov for the most economic models. The 2022 shows 54/50, the 2019 58/53.
So it looks like average economy has improved.
As for cargo, that’s unfortunate to lose space, but if they can get more people to buy the car because it looks more “normal” then that’s better, no?
Dont throw sense their way 😅
More people using less fossil fuels = better always
People who drive gas cars personally, make ugly EVs. They don’t build cars for themselves, they build cars for what their prejudiced minds think EV drivers want. The problem here is probably that none of the Ferrari leadership drives an EV.
they’re trying to compete with Renault’s handsome EV designs
I don’t even think it looks that bad, it just doesn’t look like a Ferrari
I imagine that’s the issue, that it does in fact not look like a Ferrari, when it is supposed to be a Ferrari.
Yeah definitely, like if Audemars Piguet released watches that didn’t look like an Audemars Piguet they’d definitely get a similar reaction from similar clientele.
Like this?
Technically that’s a swatch release, similar to the Moonswatch. People went crazy for the royal pop though, more than I thought they would.
No doubt!
I saw an image edit with a Toyota Prius badge and I legit liked it
Hyundai’s Ioniq Venus concept actually kind of looks like if Ferrari designed a Prius
That’s kinda neat looking honestly.
Front end looks very Lamborghini to me.
Tbh I don’t know high-end cars well enough to tell the difference. I thought some of the older Ferrari designs had that angular front, though?
That was in the 80s when everything was angular. Lamborghini kept that going while Ferrari trended toward pointed front bumpers, rolling curves, and a bigger back end. The quintessential Ferrari is the 2002 Enzo Ferrari and this borrows non of the design elements from that.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually don’t mind the design of the Ferrari Red Luce. The other colors look horrendous for some reason, but the red works for me. If I were nitpicking though, I think they could have slimmed down the chassis, gave the front end a bit more aggressive point, and reworked the back end to not look so flat. The designer is a former Apple guy and I think it shows. Purists would have wanted something bold to showcase a new era for Ferrari I think.
Ah, gotcha. I didn’t realize they had an external designer for this, but I can totally see Ives’ touch now that you’ve pointed that out. It seems like a really odd choice to use an external designer with a very different design ethos on a product that is to launch that new era. I could see it as a one-off collaboration where they go “Look, we let Jonny Ives design a Ferrari!”, but this is the foundation of a new category of vehicles for Ferrari.
The fact that this new vehicle doesn’t lean on the brand’s own history and design ethos tells me as a consumer that Ferrari either doesn’t have faith in its own design team anymore or is run by a bunch of out-of-touch executives who have no clue what their market wants. Either way, it’s pretty damning.
Honestly, too many Cybertruck vibes for my taste. Maybe it’s better from other angles
I feel like this what a more finished design of the cybertruck could have been. Personally, I like the sharp angles and strong lines on this car (to clarify, the cybertruck is fugly and has no redeeming qualities) and hope we see more of this style in the future.
I totally agree. It looks like a startup made a concept of a vehicle in a movie. It’s not ugly by any means ugly but when I see a Ferrari I KNOW it’s a Ferrari. Same way with a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Its growing on me. And the rims as an old GenX’er didn’t Vector have a set like that w/ the Bi-Turbo/Twin Turbo? I like the “Jet Turbine” look of them.
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But I can see why an EV Ferrari would get backlash from the purists. Its not a traditional ICE race car. That said I see racing going to EV as the torque is insane on electric. We are already seeing it in drag bikes
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Another prediction on EVs, their charging bottle neck will be filled by standardized batteries that can be removed by a robot.
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Like a car wash you pull up, a clanker comes up from the floor and removes your batteries. They go into inventory to charge and can be cell by cell inspected and charged batteries are installed. 10 minutes TOPS.
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This fixes recycling and repair. I’m sure I’m not the first to think of this, but its going to happen.
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Oh and your correct this looks NOTHING like a Ferrari, I mean not even “Ferrari Red®”???
We need better formatting of text on here asap,
Your battery take won’t come to fruition any time soon in the consumer market. Commercial trucking and such I can see, but consumers value interior space and standardizing a battery limits what you can do with the interior. Automakers would never pigeonhole themselves like that. Look at the cellphone and laptop market and their batteries.
Like a car wash you pull up, a clanker comes up from the floor and removes your batteries. They go into inventory to charge and can be cell by cell inspected and charged batteries are installed. 10 minutes TOPS.
This is already being done in China.
The company’s shares plunged by 8% the day after the Luce was unveiled.
Lol. They let an iPhone designer design a Ferrari, and it really shows.
Whoever designed that smooth as a booger look clearly didn’t have a poster with Ferrari on it, in their room, as a kid.
I would sell their stock too, if I had any.
I thought he just designed the interior?
Johnny I’ve would drive around in. Sinclair C5 and it shows
Stock up 4% today on the firing news lol
There was no reason to make it look so out of place, unless they actually wanted to tank sales. Nothing about its look is necessitated by the EV drive train versus ICE.
That’s not a marketing issue, that’s whoever approved that design. Which, to be fair, may be the marketing boss depending on how their corporate structure is.
I mean, I feel nuts because I’ve complained about so many EVS that look terrible and not like a normal ice car.
Yeah, true. But to be honest, as the marketing boss he has to defend that bullshit thing and I wouldn’t stand for it as well.
Seriously marketing has so much power in my company. They dictate what products get developed. Meanwhile my so company they are treated like jesters.
Ferrari has one of the greatest design teams in Pininfarina yet they choose a person famous for making a rounded rect to make a totally new product. This is what they get for their poor choices.
Lol it’s so ugly… It’s not that hard to create an EV. Which can also be beautiful.
And of course they chose dookie color to showcase it😂 not even the classic red color Ferrari is known for.
How hard is it to put a battery on a testarossa.
Dumbasses tried to reinvent the evThis seems like two unrelated stories. It wasn’t his decision to buy the car, nor did he design it. So it seems unlikely that he’s resigning because people don’t like the design or idea of it
How did they get to unveiling without anyone reviewing the design? Or did everyone inside Ferrari sign off on it as being acceptable?
They bypassed a large chunk of the Ferrari design and engineering and marketing team, who hate it with fierce Italian passion. They think management have betrayed their history
Yes!
The thing that gets me is when car designers make a car that’s trying to be something it’s not. It’s an EV, not an ICE vehicle. If anything, amplify the motor hum under load (accelerating). Don’t simulate engine sounds. We’re tired of living in a simulation.
I drive an EV
This sort of shit doesn’t help with idiots hating EVs on principle
In my view, the EV-drivers are the idiots. Although I’d prefer “ignorants” as those can be smart and dumb.
EVs are almost 100% cloud-cars full with surveillance and subscriptions and everything bad that comes with it. Not to say EVs are inherently bad, they aren’t. I would love one, technically speaking. I also love tech and gadgets. But not this level of remote control over “my” car.
I went from Bentley to cheap dumb cars over the years just because they all do it, some more some less. And EVs are the top of the “modern” shit. But the “entry-level” cars are still only filled with the basics. Even haptic buttons and dials (beside a damn touchscreen though).
You will own nothing, rent everything, and be happy about. I won’t.
You wear your ignorance with such pride
My EV has no subscriptions or anything remotely like that
But, you seem quite keen to use “shit I made up” as a reference, so I won’t bother engaging with you any more
If you would listen very carefully, you might hear the sound of me not caring about that.
Modern ICE cars have the exact same telemetry, even at the lower end models now. There are ways to circumvent some of the monitoring by deliberately terminating their antennas however. It really depends on the model though and whatever documentation regular drivers would be willing to share. My EV was modified this way and now I have a tiny reminder on the corner of the console that it can’t connect.
This is all a bandaid of course. We either come up with a gray market of workarounds or we demand legislation to remove this shit in a privacy bill. Considering we have a mandate by Congress starting in 2027 to install AI equipped driver facing cameras to disable the car if the driver even vaguely looks incapacitated shows that it would be a massive uphill battle however.
True, ICEs are not far behind the shittiness. But at least you still can buy NEW cars that don’t suck. Ours e.g. now has AC, assheating, rainsensor and android-auto (I know no worthy alternative to being independent to the car’s shitty onboard-system. anonymous account, VPN and dedicated phone.)
And yeah, congrats you could “hack” yours, but it’s indeed bandaid. It’s just a constant battle you’ll loose in the end. Same reason why I gave up on windows and android. I’m tired l, boss.
I went from Bentley to cheap dumb cars
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Youre right in that new cars are all shit. But that goes for ICE and EV.
Rolling surveillance mobiles and unrepairable. Total garbage.
Old (note, old to me means 70s or 60s, but I think younger folks now think 90s is old, so I’ll go with that) was better in every way. I’ll take a 99 civic over any new car today. Though id say about 2012 is peak if you want more comforts (I do not). Really sucks we allowed the government and corporations to fuck up cars so bad.
True, the ICEs grow more shitty from year to year. But the EVs are made to be “the future”. They begin where some ICEs end. Plus you can’t really make a totally dumb EVs.
But yes, I loved progress from manually winding windows to electric, or ACs, and even android auto (on an anonymous account on a dedicated phone). But with “going online” and 99% touch instead of haptic, nope. Go fuck yourselves.
We bought some “cheap” cars to test if it would work too. And sticked with a Mitsubishi. No bells, no whistles, only what we really want/need.
Eh, they make boring looking SUVs, and a good chunk of their lineup is just expensive sporty
sedanscoupes. Not really surprised they’re making an EV, but it’s pretty ugly.Guess they wanted a “unwanted stepchild” that couldn’t be associated with the design style of the rest of the fleet. They certainly succeeded with that.
Edit: apparently I’ve woken the Ferrari fans.
The Purosangue is an SUV. A sedan can be either two or four door for the record. You’ll have to forgive my casual use of “sedan”, it should be coupe or similar.
I think you mistook Ferrari for Lamborghini or Porsche.
Umm… I don’t think Ferrari makes either SUVs or sedans. You might try calling one of their models an SUV if you are really stretching the definition. Only one of their cars in their entire history has had 4 doors.
Yeah, it looks like something Jony Ive designed… Shortly after the LaFerrari came out they said they’d never do an EV or SUV, which is probably where most of the backlash come from. How the turn tables, eh?
Edit: Did Jony Ive also design the interior? Because it looks like straight out of an Apple Store.
To me it looks more like an iphone than a ferrari
That’s because it was designed by Jony Ive.
Jon Ive ruined Apple.
This reads like a corrupted Garfield cartoon.
Not a bad look IMHO, but yeah Ferraris tend to be distinct and this isn’t really
Yeah I think it’s a good looking car but it’s clearly not a Ferrari.
Looks like a Volkswagen
If ford had made it it would be heralded. But it’s just not Ferrari material.
Same energy
