That moment when you realize it’s not a debate, it’s a lifetime project 😭
I like to just plant a little seed in moments like this. Even if you just feign ignorance and ask a Socratic question or two… Get their little grey cells working in their sleep maybe. You never know
Might as well try it. The worst that’ll happen is an idiot will stop talking to you about idiot things.
if someone obviously is unreceptive to the idea that their blinding headlights are both unsafe and make them an asshole, there’s a good chance that I’ll just tell them that next time they’re driving towards me at night I will intentionally drive head on into them, then walk away
I’ll do what I can to politely educate them, but if they’re not open to it then fuck it I’m just going to make the risk to them clear and end the conversation
To extend the “planting the seed” metaphor a bit…
Some people try to plant seeds on other peoples minds and let them grow like beautiful flowers.
Some people try to facefuck other people and plant their seeds deep in their throats.
Some people try to facefuck other people and plant their seeds deep in their throats.
This guy comes to mind. Pretty sure he’ll never care to understand the ineffectiveness of his antagonistic approach, in fact his approach always has the opposite and worse effects than he purportedly crusades for.
It’s rare to find people who are actually interested in learning anything, most will just parrot something they’ve heard in passing or rely on gut feeling, and if your fact goes against their made up assumption then they will deny what you say rather than look it up and learn, because being seen to not know something hurts their feelings.
You gotta switch their gears from defense ive/debate mode before they’ll even consider what you have to say.
Even then you won’t see the positive change in the moment. It’ll come 2 years later while they’re drying their hair and it all clicks
I feel seen!
Got you bud
Actually science has proven that so you take in all knowledge throughout your entire life and the moment you are introduced a fact you will instantly change your mind on all related information.
What?
We don’t always have the time and some ideas are too complex.
But this is what good teachers are good at. You need to relate to your student before you can teach them anything.
“Anyone who tries to make a distinction between education and entertainment doesn’t know the first thing about either.” -Marshall Macluhan.
People are not entertained by “you are wrong I am right.” Literally nobody is. There’s an art to teaching.
I, too, look like a haunted victorian orphan when I argue online.
My best friend recently told me :
“Did you see the image of the original moon landing ? It looks so so fake”
I was shocked. An engineer with supposedly a scientific background was starting to take on conspiracy theories.
I just said that the moon landing was not fake and that it would have been impossible to fake something on this scale and that there was plenty of documentation about the Apollo mission online.
But I feel sad because it’s obvious his social network interactions online are pushing him toward very toxic content.
Conspiracy theories are fun to listen to, but you have to be careful not to believe them. I grew up on Bigfoot and UFO stories (being near Mendocino and having farm family does that to you) but, well aside from the family Bigfoot pranks we were very clear it was all make believe.
It kinda does look fake especially for then. But it also was unlike anything ever done before using technology basically at science fiction level for the 60s. It looks like fiction because it was so advanced for the time it was borderline science fiction. Still amazing evertime I think about it.
I wouldn’t put it past the US government to pull some shenanigans, and I certainly wouldn’t rule out the possibility that some aspect of it was a lie. That being said, I have yet to see any evidence that it was faked that isn’t simply a misunderstanding of the science.
The best thing you can do in these situations is to ask a critically reflective question for them to sit with. You can and never have been able to change someone’s mind just like that. What you can is be part of the web of critical thoughts that help them towards thinking critically about their idea.
Yea they’re looking for agreements to help lock in the idea. The algorithms don’t ever have anyone critically questioning them on their little podcasts.
So Be the critical question asker that they forgot to be before buying the idea.
Be Columbo. ‘Oh before I forget Just one last question…’
Loved Peter falk in that show.
It’s the socratic method.
Hits me every time. I may know I am right and the other person is wrong, but the amount of re-education needed for them to realize it - undoable for me
When I was quite a bit younger I used to argue against young Earth creationists online. Eventually I came to mostly the same conclusion: there’s just so much wrong with everything they believe, there’s nowhere to even begin taking it all apart. No amount of reason will cut through their faith.
That’s why you shouldn’t talk with them, but rather the lurkers in the forum that might still have a chance.
I am (well, probably now ‘was’. Birthdays suck) a young ex-church goer. I am young enough to bounce back and re-learn how the world works.
My mom is 56. She can’t bounce back and learn a whole new world.
She can’t bounce back and learn a whole new world.
You can open her eyes. Take her, wonder by wonder.
A whole new Moooooom…
It annoys me that Dawkins spent so much time arguing with them.
Every person in alanon meetings coming to the same realization about the alcoholic
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
