I moved to Linux. I really liked Linux mint, but had some issues. Dove deep into learning about Linux to get at least a slight understanding.
Absolutely LOVE cachyos with KDE plasma desktop environment. It even has an app page on load up to download everything I needed, steam, DVD burner, librewolf, etc etc.
I just love KDE. It makes every os better. Not sure what os is even doing for me to be honest since I’m a visual user.
KDE chefs kiss, they solved one my biggest frustrations I’ve ever had. In the world of being connected and all this cloud shit the 100 step process I needed to do to move a picture or document from my phone to my pc like fuck. With KDE wow just wow.So convenient so easy. The joy and relief It brought.
Not much different than their revoking of Win 11 licenses because the hardware changed…
They’ll keep pulling this BS because people are ‘locked in’.
I bought RAM in 2026 because of how much I want to finally get rid of Windows. Can’t wait to get my build up and running.
“By perpetual we meant you can perpetually have them, not that they’ll perpetually work.”
you know I was about to buy licenses for some software from microslop. seeing as they clearly disregard their responsibilities upholding the agreements they make, I have no reason to believe they’ll continue to do so for any of their licensed software.
makes it easy for me. I’ll just pirate it.
thanks microslop!
You do whatever you want with the resources and constrains you have.
But in my humble opinion, the best move would have been to migrate to LibreOffice and make a donation matching the MS Office license, or migrate to Collabora office (it’s based on LO), or another opensource alternative.
Again: that may not be possible for you personnally, and I’m not judging. This is only to remind everyone there are alternatives out there.
Pirating software and living life on the edge
How do you do that without getting a virus?
“But the DARE officer said drugs are scary and I saw that movie about how weed makes you a psycho killer.”
Qu’est-ce que c’est?
“I know something you don’t know, which makes sense because it’s not common knowledge, and I’m going to make you feel like shit about it.”
The actual answer is just don’t click the virus links
massgrave.dev
You know whats really weird? Office 2019 just went on sale a few weeks ago.
https://www.techspot.com/news/100909-get-microsoft-office-29-one-time-purchase.html
It’s like Microsoft wanted to squeeze a few extra dollars out of customers. But id be pissed if I bought it and found out it was being locked down 3 weeks later…
Although to be clear only the Mac version is being discontinued. For now.
That was not a real sale.
It’s a fake article pretending that there’s a sale in order to make affiliate money selling grey market keys from msdn. Those keys activate, but they don’t come with a valid license to use, those are supposed for testing only on that specific msdn account.
It works like this: the fake tech blog gets 40%, the rest goes to the keys seller, Microsoft gets 0%.
Fuck Microsoft, but at that point is more ethical to just use massgrave and activate it for free
I got a key like this from Groupon of all places
Honestly, as much as I want to shit on Microsoft, this is probably more a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. They’re a massive disorganized mess of a company.
pfft AI is improving everything, how can you say this?
I wonder if that divison’s copilot ran out of tokens. That’s probably the issue.
I’m glad I’ve entirely moved away from Microsoft products. Worst of the worst.
Amen! Nothing but Google here.
/s
someone call Louis Rossman !
Can’t be bothered to go any further than the headline, eh?
o lol
He made a vid on it.
You’re commenting on a thread ostensibly discussing that video.
We have No Killing Games, now wet me need No Killing Software…
Games have a cultural element to it.
Non-game software doesn’t. It’s much harder to convince politicians.
The argument for non-game software would be economical. But most big companies pay the subscriptions, since they want to have the latest version (if not for the features, at least for the security patches). So they’re not affected. The most affected by this is consumers and small companies. Which don’t have a lot of power.
The way to fix this is to support the competitors that don’t do this kind of shit. For office in particular, there’s even free alternatives.
Yea, that’s the end goal. It’s a smart way to run a political campaign using relatable concrete problems that people face from abusive licensing policies in the software industry.
I am altering the license; pray I do not alter it any further. - Microsoft
LibreOffice is better than Office 2019 anyway and up to date.
I’ve have LibreOffice for over a decade, had OpenOffice before that. Haven’t needed MS Office for anything near 20 years now.
but affected macs that are still running office 2019 have serria or high serria, and can’t run libreoffice (current requires os11)
The cybersecurity part of my life would say that one shouldn’t run an unpatched and EOL operating system and install Linux but yeah I guess if people wants to run old insecure software and hold on to microsoft that sucks I guess.
i’ve got someone here clinging to winme of all things. it’s only just this year started to be a ‘problem’, i.e. not allow him to do something he wants to.
that’s not even the dumbest part.
he got a replacement years ago–that’s literally still new-in-box. that new pc has sat unopened and unused for its windows’ entire service life.
the old coot lives too far away for me to go help. i keep asking him to bring it all to me to see what’s what, but he hasn’t yet.
Can’t they just run an older version of LibreOffice?
Yet another reason, I aint got a mac.
I think you meant sierra…
Two words: Libre Office
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Also, if anyone out there’s wanting to learn about other ways to get away from paying for subs, I did a series of videos on this earlier this year.
Any chance you have a text version?
EDIT: Posted the text list of the alternatives lower in the thread.
Yes. The description in each video has chapters in the description telling you application or software names, for the TLDW crowd.
But I can write up a quick list if you life. Happy to do it.
A text version where I don’t need to load any video seems a lot more useful. Not that your face isn’t adorable.
Okay, here’s the abridged version of my ‘Stop Paying For’ series. I hope something here is new to you and helps you give the billionaires a kick in the dick. Happy to write it out because I hate billionaires that much, but if this is useful to anyone out there, I’d appreciate a like on one of my videos. Being a small creator who vocally supports FOSS/alternative apps is tough.
Euro Alternative Apps (To Divest from US Apps)
- Proton
- Qwant
- Mastodon
- Threema
Spotify Alternatives
- Metrolist
- Outertune
Cheaper Video Games
- Weekly Free Games on Epic
- Key Resellers (G2A/Loaded, but use at your own risk)
- Humble Bundle
Netflix Alternatives
- Tubi
- Hoopla Digital
- Kanopy
FOSS Software
- Linux
- LibreOffice (MS Office Replacement)
- qBittorent (Torrent Client)
- VLC Media Player
if you’re not afraid to give winks towards piracy - in Netflix alternatives i’d also include Stremio. the base app is fully legal, and kinda useless, but with just one plugin (torrentio) it replaces all streaming services
Have a like on all your videos…
I wish I could send users a dollar as easily as hitting the updoot button. Keep being awesome.
Happy to help. Thank you for the kind words!
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I’ve been OOL for awhile, is LO the new hotness and OO is out?
From Wikipedia:
“Oracle OpenOffice” is a discontinued office productivity suite. Originally acquired by Oracle through their purchase of Sun Microsystems in 2009, the project was officially discontinued in 2011 when Oracle laid off the development team and donated the code to the Apache Software Foundation.
The Fork to LibreOffice: In 2010, the majority of the original volunteer developers left Oracle to form The Document Foundation, creating a fork named LibreOffice. LibreOffice has since become the standard, actively maintained open-source office suite.
Yes that is correct. You have been out of the loop for a very long time.
I got sucked into 10+ years of Microsoft-centric corpo gigs. Womp.
Except libreoffice is pretty crap. Especially their spreadsheet program.
They’re looking to optimize the project for collaborative working, browsers and smartphones. I reckon the UI might see some modernization, as well.
https://www.heise.de/news/Kurswechsel-LibreOffice-fuer-Browser-und-Smartphone-kommt-11309343.html
Alternatively, Euro-Office could be of interest. It’s going to be much more modern and is to ship with most of the comfort Microsoft Office has. Euro-Office is a reviewed and improved OnlyOffice (a Russian project) fork. It was forked to avoid potential Russian influence on it. The first stable version will be available from June 9th 2026, next week. Not finished yet, though.
Sources in German, apologies.
I tried using LibreOffice Calc when I was working on my OSCP and some of the basic functionality was so broken it was almost laughable. I think my text was pasting in as an image sometimes? I forget the exact details but it was unusable for my purposes and I decided to try again in a few years.
apache has all but let openoffice go. there’s, i think, like one guy that works on it occasionally.
open office kinda went out when oracle took them over. yeah it was handed to apache but by that time libre was the standard.
Yeah. No offense (because not everyone can pay attention to everything, for various reasons), but it’s been the most popular open-source office suite for at least the past decade.
reference to this, i’m guessing:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/05/28/microsoft-is-killing-office-2019-for-mac-and-iphone-and-you-cant-do-much-about-itapparently it’s due to an expiring digital certificate. this older version is ‘end of life’ and because it isn’t receiving updates anymore, microsoft’s lust for profits says it won’t get a renewed certificate either.
Yet another reason why paying for software is stupid.
Software is made by people (good software, not slop)
whichwho deserve a living too. Expensive, extortionate software pricing is a different thing.Making software developers’ livelihoods depend on who can give them enough money is stupid. It’ll inevitably lead to situations like this where shitty products get made by virtue of them being sponsored by rich bastards.
Just give them a universal basic income and let everything be open source volunteer stuff.
That’s how every job in the world works.
Fine, let’s work toward that. Until then, that’s not how things work.
It is called economic model and it is a societal contract. For better or worse, capitalism democratised consumption and largely improved the lifelihood of many.
I’m all for UBI, but it is too idealistic to have this without a world-disrupting event like a Great War or similar.
Or the arrival or AI? A global pandemic which prevented working together?
GDPs where the median and average are constantly drifting apart? The creation of a cabal of billionaires who manipulate the masses and get caught. The rise of trillion dolllar companies, where it is difficult to function in society without using their products or services.
The world events have happened. Edit: so many typos.
Obviously those things weren’t disruptive enough to usher in the changes you’re hoping for, since they didn’t happen.
I guess we’ll have to wait until even more people are food insecure to see what happens.
Jesus! Have we been haooened already!
Boo
Software is made by people (good software, not slop) which deserve a living too.
And yet (very nearly) all the software on my PC is completely free.
I don’t care who does and doesn’t “deserve a living” – I just find it very stupid to pay for something you don’t technically own … and which, in many cases, can be arbitrarily taken away from you at any time, with no refund.
Software shouldn’t be a fucking subscription for every damned thing.
That’s beyond ridiculous. Sell the fucking ware the way it is. Not every damned product needs live-service.
I guess I don’t mind the business model, but if I am going to be leasing something the rates better be comparable. In other words, if a permanent $80 Eord/Excel/Powerpoint license would have lasted me around 80 months before I started looking for an upgradge or improvement, then a leased version of the same better cost me around $1/month.
Sure, but the people that made that software had to pay electricity bills and capital purchases of computers. The fact that they decided to release that as free (freedom and price) software is a different topic, itself laudable but most times not even altruistic.
And on the “arbitrarily taken away” topic, you seem to be against “services” and not necessarily software (the means to the end).
The fact that you didn’t donate any money or paid the devs doesn’t mean everyone else did the same.
Let me reiterate: I don’t give the slightest fraction of a fuck whether the devs were paid or not, nor about who did or didn’t pay them.
I’m not paying money for shit I don’t own. Especially not if it can be taken away from me at any time by the asshats who ‘sold’ it to me. That’s it.
You’re using something that required someone else’s time and knowledge. You’re talking as if you’re entitled to that without giving anything back in any way, shape of form. You’re not, and quite honestly, you sound like a dick.
There is no obligation for anyone to pay for FOSS. The devs knowingly give their time in anticipation of nothing. Shaming someone for using it as per the license is ludicrous. Support if you want, but don’t cry foul when the license is used as stipulated.
Is that why they almost always have a donations link? Also, I’m not “shaming” them for not paying. I’m shaming them for acting like an entitled prick.
How dare I take something that somebody freely offered!
If everyone did the same thing, free open source software wouldn’t exist. If you can’t pay, you don’t need to. But if you can donate, you should. Acting like an entitled brat makes 0 sense here. The devs don’t owe you anything, amd you’re talking as if it was their duty to give you free software.
You sound like the annoying douche that opens a github issue and demands it to be fixed asap.
I’m very happy with my monthly payments (donation) to libreoffice, freecad, KDE, e/os, signal, among a few others.
An ethical way to for this to work in the current economic system is:
Corporations and government entities are required to pay the developers. Then the devs are assigned to open source projects. That software is free for anyone to use.
Where do you propose I buy critical enterprise software instead? I swear, children should not be allowed online.
Where do you propose I buy critical enterprise software instead?
1: Reevaluate which software is “critical” to your enterprise.
2: Use open source when possible.
3: If it truly is “critical” and there’s no other alternative that can do what you need, then sure. “Buy” it, I guess. (Actually, rent a license for it, lol.) That may make financial sense if you’re using that software to make more money than the software costs. I’m not your supervisor, and I’m not your mommy. You can do what you want.
But I can’t spend money on that. How am I supposed to respect it? Who do I blame when something goes wrong?
That’s a risk management problem.
One of the problems of FOSS is that they offer no warranty. Which big companies don’t like.
Some FOSS products do offer a paid alternative license that offers support and warranty.
But if they don’t, you have to do the risk management. What are the chances of the risk occurring? And what would be the impact?
The risks of office software risk are not that big though:
- Data loss
- Incorrect calculations
- Final PDF not looking like it should (maybe an image moved around)
The probability of 3 is high, 1 is low, and 2 is very low. The impact of 3 is low, 2 is medium and 1 is high.
- Is easily avoidable by doing frequent saves and having a backup. Which you should do even with proprietary software.
- This one’s probability is so low you don’t need to care a lot about it. Just make sure to double-check the output when you’re using a tool for the first time to see if it does what you want. And keep an eye out for suspicious results, they may be the result of a bug.
- Open every PDF and do a fast inspection to check that everything’s good. If it’s not, try an alternative PDF conversion method, there’s a lot. If that doesn’t work there’s not much more you can do.
If I’m not paying corpodaddy how will I respect software?
Just use Massgrave for Microsoft stuff.
someone with an affected version would have to try that, but i’m guessing if legit perpetual 2019 licenses are dead upon expiry of that certificate, mas won’t help either. moving to 2021 or newer won’t work either, as the affected users’ macos version won’t support newer office versions.
I try to use LibreOffice but my company uses SentinelOne and flags LibreOffice as malware and quarantines my files. I have to place a ticket to get my files back.
You have my sympathies, That is one hot piece of garbage
