What’s with the kid that just sits on the bench in the lower left? The shooter has already fired multiple times, so that kid had to have known what was going on.
Judging by the size of everyone in the video, running for one’s life is an absolute last resort.
Props to the principal for the side tackle though. That takes balls.
Freezing up can be a reflex sometimes.
This guy vs the entire Uvalde police force
American hero right there. Those families will never forget what he did for them.
JFC, dude came boiling out of a shadow on the wall.
I had to watch it three times before I saw what the camera angle showed as a barely-there nook in the wall.
This is what heroes do. They run towards the danger, not away.
Well, unless they have bone spurs.
School administrators doing more for public safety than fucking police would.
Great job focusing on the gun (grabbing that arm) and then incapacitation. Lucky this ended this way.
Americans…
A country that produces mental health issues… And they give them guns. And Americans defend this like it’s a normal fact of life.
David Bowie made a whole song about that.
A country that exists because of its use of guns to gain independence.
Its hard to change the culture when it exists literally because of having guns.
Yeah? Europe survived two World Wars. You don’t see us having a gun culture like America.
And Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US because their government mandates it. And yet, the Swiss have little to no mass shootings unlike the US. It is down to the American culture of being so gung ho and and excessively individualistic not to fund public education and mental health services.
Wow TIL OK has schools
Seems like a waste of money
Where else would they shot their guns?
Not if they had anything to say about it.
Didn’t expect that comment lmao
Schools is one side of the coin. Do pupils go there?
Do they teach anything there would be the next question, after that is what they teach not the Bible, then go from there. I doubt the answer is yes for all of them.
Someone: < installs motif in the middle of the floor > Also Someone: nooo don’t walk on the motif.
Maybe it’s undergoing renovation?
I’ve seen lots of videos of good guys without guns saving people from bad guys with guns, but I’ve never seen a “good guy” with a gun do jack shit.
This is the only one I’ve seen. And she’s off-duty military police.
It’s rare. Off duty SAS guy did work in Kenya that one time. Saved a bunch of people.
I heard a story of someone who was at a gun show and some geniuses thought it would be a good idea to try and grab a bunch of rifles and just run for the doors, and of course about a dozen people drew down on them.
But then, that’s like, proliferated guns at a gun proliferation party preventing guns from being proliferated by a tiny degree more than they would have otherwise, so… that kind of feels like a net neutral, overall.
And importantly, a guy running away.
And a theft, not an assault.
There was a case a few years ago where a good guy with a gun stopped a shooter. The bad guy apparently shot and killed a cop, and reportedly wanted to shoot other cops. The good guy shot & killed the bad guy.
Then the cops showed up and killed the good guy with the gun.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/28/colorado-gunman-police-officer-killed
It happens occasionally, but it’s pretty rare. I heard a story some time back of a gunman who drove up on a birthday party or something, and a bystander shot them.
The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though. It’s not an argument for lax gun laws. It just is an occasional side effect that can’t and shouldn’t be counted on.
I think John Oliver did a deep dive and found in the history of shootings, a small handful were stopped by “a good guy with a gun” while a significant number beyond that were stopped by people without guns.
He went further: the good guy with a gun often were used for disciplinary measures (read: send black students to the school resource officer) instead of guarding the place. Not only that, but in school shootings were more violent where there was good guy with a gun.
That’s actually incorrect, the lowest estimate for defensive gun use (by
HarvardPhillip Cook using NCVS data, whoops), only counting verifiable police reports and completely discounting defensive display, the most common form of DGU) is 100,000/yr, while gun deaths including accidents, homicides, and suicides, are ~60,000/ yr. That’s still a difference of 40,000.Also good to keep in mind, only 45% of Americans even own a gun, and only somewhere around 20% carry it ever, and even less carry everywhere every day. Combine that with many mass shootings taking place in schools which federally ban firearms or businesses which often have “no weapons” signs on the door (which depending on the state can actually be legally binding), with all of that the chances of there being a “good guy with a gun” in the first place are still pretty slim. If he’s a “good guy” even if he brought it he likely left it in the car in accordance with the law and posted signage on the mall (or whatever), and it can’t do any good there.
That’s total bullshit.
Here’s what Harvard actually has to say about guns and it is 100% the opposite of what you’ve described.
My mistake, it wasn’t Harvard, it was Phillip Cook using the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) Data. It’s only been 8yr since I read the article, please forgive my indiscretions. In my defense Harvard is also mentioned.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense
Needless to say I disagree with the disqualification of defensive display categorically, but understand why it would be done for official estimates (though that would mean the official would be purposefully low, by the nature if many of them not having police reports or being one’s word against another even if they exist there’s no real reliable way to collect those statistics, so I think it’s best to leave them out.) Mostly I think it should just be kept in mind that the official estimate is based off of incomplete data and is low, lest we end up with ridiculous estimates like 3,000,000.
And yet still,
Harvardthe NCVS data* (whoops lol) estimates defensive gun use as 40k higher than gun deaths, and that’s with less than 20% of Americans carrying daily. To say it’s so rare it’s a myth is to say all gun death (60k), gun homicide (12k), accidental gun injuries (~1,500) and deaths (~500), are also myths due to rarity. And also the OG Black Lotus card at 1,100 printed.The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though.
Is still indeed not true, regardless of if I misremembered just who said that one detail from 8y ago.
Again, your unsourced bullshit is not an actual summation of verifiable data.
It’s just right-wing talking points, dude, with the veneer of pseudoscience.
More guns = more people die from guns. It’s not any more difficult than that.
I mean you can disagree with the accredited crime researcher and the NCVS data he used (it is a move I guess) all you want, but I’ve posted the source where I got my claims, so “unsourced” is verifiably false, it’s right there.
More water = more people drown, it’s not any more difficult than that, ban water.
Gun deaths are on average 40k not 60k. We’ve never even hit 50k a year.
Rest what you said is true.
r/dgu subreddit collects all the known good guy with a gun articles as well.
can we please move gun suicides to their own category
Good luck with that. The anti2a groups want those in the same category so that it pumps up the numbers. When 2/3rds (66+%) of your statistic of gun violence is based upon suicide. It’s not as catchy to use.
truth
and gun violence in schools stands fine on it’s own
anyone seeing those numbers should be disgusted enough
To be fair, once. We’ve seen it once. In all the years of mass shootings. That Texas church where the guy shot the killer from like 25m away while he was moving.
Jesus YouTube tried to delete this from history. Sorry about the Reddit link.
Not just once, it’s happened multiple times. There was also the one at the mall where the good guy was then mistakenly shot by the police, that one time 4 store patrons all pulled guns on an armed robber, those are just the ones that I can recall off the top of my head.
Actually Defensive Gun Use (hereafter DGU) estimates vary wildly, from the CDC (self) reported numbers by John Lott and Gary Kleck (500,000-3,000,000), to the more realistic estimate (based on verifiable police reports, and completely discounting the concept of defensive display) by
HarvardPhillip Cook using the National Crime Victimization Survey data of 100,000 DGU/yr.But in any case, by the lowest estimate we have, DGU still happens at least 100,000 "once"s per year, and more if we count defensive display (though that’s hard to get numbers on so I leave it out of the “official” count, it does still happen, and likely more often than bullets actually get fired.)
Let’s stay on topic.
This guy is a hero.
What they said is the topic.
a principal doing what police could never
They could, and are literally set up for that, they just (many times) choose not to.
Eh. The copaganda says they are set up for that, but they’ve always been tools to protect wealth and power. The 6 part series Behind the Police with Robert Evans and Jason Petty is good. There is some implicit bias involved, but they do provide citations to back it up.
More balls than entire Ubald police combined
First thing I thought.
I think you meant the YouBaldy police.
Science and medical had to rush the guy before security even joined the fight.
That principal is a serious hero, and very lucky. Great pin and control on the weapon, he put all his weight into it.
Is there a way to vote for this principal for mayor?
His campaign tagline could be “The principal with principles!”.
He did get crowned prom king this year by his students. It might be hard to see, but he did take a bullet in this altercation.
Really? That’s awesome. Can you provide a link I can’t find that part of the story as it was 3 days ago.
he did take a bullet in this altercation.
Really? That’s awesome.
How I read your reply initially.
Lol, yeah context is always key for comprehension
This has been in mainstream news for a few days now. I’m surprised Lemmy is just seeing now.
This ain’t reddit.
We aren’t being force fed US news against our will Or are you surprised there are people and countries outside USA?
What like we watch daytime television?
The gunman really had no problem killing the principal when he ran towards him. Just pointed the gun casually his way.
seems like a diet of burgers and soda doesn’t do wonders for your reflexes.
What about 40h of CS:GO per week?
Ahem, it’s cs2, now?
Whatever the current CS is right now, yeah, that one.
Gosh, I really should know, I follow The War Owl for Christ’s sake.
I’ve had some insomnia lately…
underpaid and still ain’t afraid quote the luda man
Yeah. Cops are paid too much to eisk their lives.
lmao fuck the police ACAB, and much like the GOP, need to be hung up for treason
Is the redshirt guy trying to get redshirted? Picking up that gun while police is on the way could easily lead to misunderstandings.
Dude, police had just heard shots. They werent coming in for at lesst like an hour.
Here in Denmark we had a once-in-a-blue-moon shooting occur in the shopping mall called “Field’s”.
Police geared with MP5’s arrived within 10 minutes and barely waited at all storming into the shopping center. Other armed police were actively doing evacuation duty.
A sniper in a helicopter eventually saw the shooter trying to escape the shopping center through a utility door, and he subsequently got caught.
This happened the same year police in America were seen, fully armed, waiting outside a school because it was “too dangerous” to enter.
doesn’t Denmark require national service for two years?
if so, those cops were already better trained than any US cop and it’s unfair to compare them.
